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reply posted on 23-9-2006 @ 12:13 PM by undo
Originally posted by Essan


'Gate' was sometimes used to refer to a mountain pass. For example, the
Caspian Gate

Even in scotland we colloquially refer to a certain mountain pass as the 'Gates of Affric' (though this is a very modern terms).

May or may not be relevant in this case .......


Aye, the "mountains" and "holy mountains" of Sumer were not the mountain ranges, rather, they were the "ziggurats." Enlil, the Great Mountain. Obviously, Enlil wasn't a mountain, but his E.KUR was a mountain, a great mountain, a holy mountain, a ziggurat.

It's also relevant to note that the names of these places are often synonyms for gates, doors, entrances. For example, in one of the definitions of Enki's E.ABZU, it says it has a door like a lion which seizes a man. Doesn't sound like an ordinary door. Have you read the Book of the Gates or rather, seen the artwork in Seti I's tomb in the Valley of the Kings, regarding the Book of What is in the Duat, or the Book of the Netherworld, or even the Book of Gates? The artwork depicts the pharaoh passing through a series of gates, in fact, his entire tomb is a series of gates and corridors, each one further down in the earth, until you finally reach his sarcophagus, beyond which is yet another gate and corridor that continues down below the water table. They haven't excavated past a certain level in that passageway, but the hieroglyphics appear to continue down below the water.

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reply posted on 23-9-2006 @ 01:40 PM by Marduk

it says it has a door like a lion which seizes a man. Doesn't sound like an ordinary door.

it means it has an impressive door that grabs your attention Beth
like the gates of Nimrud at the British museum


they are so impressive thatthe gates to Kongs island were modelled after them



and in turn the gates to Jurassic park were modelled on them



to catch Hollywoods attention something has to grab your attention like a lion siezes a man right


reply posted on 23-9-2006 @ 02:16 PM by undo
Originally posted by Marduk

it says it has a door like a lion which seizes a man. Doesn't sound like an ordinary door.

it means it has an impressive door that grabs your attention Beth
like the gates of Nimrud at the British museum


they are so impressive thatthe gates to Kongs island were modelled after them



and in turn the gates to Jurassic park were modelled on them



to catch Hollywoods attention something has to grab your attention like a lion siezes a man right


Problem is, that's AFTER Sumer. Sumer, as you know my theories on this, was the site of some very strange goings on. Enki's E.ABZU was very odd, as was his Abzu. Were you aware that Enlil also had an Abzu? Yet his "E.KUR" was not even remotely close to marshland. And for that matter, ancient Abydos had its own Abzu in the form of the Osirieon, most likely built by Nimrod/Enmerkar/Osiris, as a model of Enki's Abzu, which he had only recently tried to reopen when he attempted to rebuild Enki's E.ABZU (called the Tower of Babel or the Etemenanki).

It's all tied together.

I should add that it's my belief that the structures following the mesopotamian flood were attempts to copy and recreate the prior Anunnaki civilization and even some aspects of the biblical one as well. I believe the ziggurats were attempts to depict Enki and Enlil's "spacecraft", since the ziggurats following the mesopotamian flood are simple mudbrick constructions, which, compared to Enki and Enlil's "ziggurats" are mundane and ordinary. Those figures on either side of the door are man's attempt to depict the equivalent of biblical cherubim. It's the same type of reference as that of casting Hathor in the role of both herself and the Eye of Ra, in the Legend of Re and Hathor. Its ability to "fly" is depicted by its wings. Its human appearance, depicted by its head which is attached to a body of that can fly, just as you might expect them to depict something that seems to fly and has an occupant with a human looking head.


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reply posted on 7-11-2006 @ 04:47 AM by JOHNNYMURDER
Undo & Byrd ...the J D Rockerfellas of misinformation and school Text book theory that never seem to sleep.

Ooo...it's good to be back. It's been a while.

The peasents have no proof that Osiris was a real person, a myth a symbol or a story...maybe the smithsonian has his preserved skull in a box..but as for people on ATS...they have nothing but theories so all newbies and those without common sense should really think and research for themselves and not take the word of so called "experts" or people who have had more practice expressing their "force of personality" onto these pages.

There were rumours circulating years ago that russian scientists had excavated the tomb of Osiris...that story was big conspiracy news then it faded...who knows why, we can only speculate.

His connection with Isis and Horus and the famous image of "The All seeing Eye" wraps him up in everything from freemasonary to witchcraft to the background set for Bob Dylan's shows.

Because of the lack of proof regarding his actual existence...if he is dead or alive doesn't matter...what does matter is the similarity of story with another famous figure seeped in mythology....the Big JC..Jesus himself.

Now before Saint4God or one of the other stooges pipes in to discredit, steer the subject away or kill it dead with banality ( it gets more obvious with every passing day) any real student of ancient history with see the obvious parallels between those two characters...they will see the similarity in egyptian and biblical stories..they will wonder what Jesus got up to in his time in egypt...they will question how the child of a poor carpenter could be spirited away in such a manner...how he then returns clued seemingly emmersed in egyptian ritual and mythology.

I could go on..but why waste my breath when there are people frothing at the giblet to dismiss any of this stuff for one reason or another.

For any newbies who want to start an interesting investigation into similarites in Hebrew , Jewish and Egyptian history and mythology before you are corrupted and swayed by the suspiciously skilled Agent Provacateurs that litter this website...I recommend you have a look at Akenaten and work from there.

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reply posted on 7-11-2006 @ 08:18 PM by Tamahu
The Death and Resurrection of Ausar is symbolic of the Drama that every Christified Master must perform.


See: Metu Neter Volume I by Ra Un Nefer Amen



And see this:


www.gnosticteachings.org...




And:



The Mysteries of Halloween


...The first day of Jonah within the great fish (Leviathan-Lucifer) is the First Mountain of Initiation, Alchemical Birth. The second day is the Second Mountain, Mystical Death, at the end of which is Resurrection. The third day within the great fish (Leviathan-Lucifer) is the Third Mountain, Sacrifice. Thus, after three days Jonah is a Resurrected Master. He lives in harmony with the Great Law and is ready to do the work of his Father as an awakened avatar of the Christ. He is “vomited” upon dry land, because he is no longer permitted to work within the waters of Alchemy. The proper use of the sexual force that was utilized to create the Twice Born is now prohibited to him. The work of the seven days of creation of the true Human Being is complete and the sex belongs to the Monad now.


Thus, Isis could only find thirteen pieces (Arcanum 13, see above) of the dead God Osiris. The fourteenth piece, his phallus, was swallowed by a fish, never to be found thereafter. His phallus was lost forever, because as a resurrected Master he was prohibited from the sexual act. Every lustful element was already dead in him. He had attained perfection in the sex. Therefore, Isis replaced his phallus with a member of gold. The lead of the ego was transmuted into the gold of the consciousness. Deep within the Mountain is found the fiery forge of Vulcan. It is here that the mysteries of Daath are cast.


Thus the Master Jesus explains to the scribes and Pharisees,


Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God. For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven. But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying, I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living. - Matthew 22:29-32

Only the Twice Born, who has died within himself and been born “of water and of the (fire of the) Holy Spirit”, is truly living.


That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. - John 3:6

Those whom have not completed the Great Work are truly dead. They are no better than “whitened sepulchers”, with the appearance of beauty and Virtue on the outside, while containing only fetid and rotting corpses (of Ego and spiritual death) within.


God is not the God of the dead, but of the living
...






Regards


reply posted on 7-11-2006 @ 08:57 PM by Tamahu
Hi Marduk





Here:



The Christ


...Authentic primeval Gnostic Christianity comes from Paganism. Prior to Paganism, the Cosmic Christ was worshipped in all cults. In Egypt, Christ was Osiris and whosoever incarnated him was an Osirified one. In all ages there have been Masters who have assimilated the Infinite Universal Christic Principle. In Egypt, Hermes was the Christ. In Mexico, the Christ was Quetzalcoatl. In Sacred India, Krishna is Christ. In the Holy Land, the Great Gnostic Jesus, who was educated in the land of Egypt, was the one who had the bliss of assimilating the Universal Christic Principle, and because of this, he was worthy of being re-baptised with the Seity of Fire and of the Cross, Kristos.

The Nazarene, Jesus-Iesus-Zeus, is the modern man who totally incarnates the Universal Christic Principle. Prior to Jesus, many Masters incarnated this Christic principle of Fire.

The Rabbi of Galilee is a God, because he totally incarnated the Cosmic Christ. Hermes, Quetzalcoatl, Krishna are Gods because they also incarnated the Cosmic Christ.

It is necessary to worship the Gods; they help their devotees. "Ask, and it shall be given you... Knock, and it shall be opened unto you."

Sexual Magic is the art of producing Fire. We can produce Fire, develop it and incarnate the Christ only with the Perfect Matrimony. This is how we become Gods.

The Christic Principle is always the same. The Masters who incarnate it are living Buddhas. Among them there are always hierarchies. The Buddha Jesus is the most exalted Initiate of the Universal White Fraternity
...






Although I'm not very familiar with the Kingir-ian, Sumerian, Babylonian, Assyrian, Chaldean, Akkadian, etc. symbolism of the Christ.








I've read a few Zechariah Sitchin books on the subject a few years ago, which means I need to forget just about everything I read from him and find a better source.




Regards







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reply posted on 7-11-2006 @ 09:48 PM by Tamahu
Thank you.

Now I'm beginning to remember some of what I've learned(bits and pieces, although not all from Z.S.)




I'm also reminded of the following:



The Gnosis of Easter


Though Christ a thousand times in Bethlehem be born
And not within thyself, thy soul will be forlorn.

The Cross on Golgotha thou lookest to in vain
Unless within thyself it be set up again.


Easter is one of the primary days of the Christian calendar, commemorating the resurrection of Jesus after his crucifixion. In the West, Easter is celebrated on the Sunday following the full Moon next after the vernal equinox (between Mar. 22 and Apr. 25).

This Holy Day is actually far older than Christianity. The name “Easter” is derived from “Ostara,” the Anglo-Saxon goddess of spring, fertility, and the rising Sun. This name is a variation on the name of Ishtar, the Babylonian and Assyrian goddess of love and fertility.

Throughout Europe were celebrated rituals and sacrifices in recognition of the movement in nature from death (winter) to life (spring). These traditions were gradually absorbed by the evangelizing Christian movements. But the movement of the Sun, in its triumphant march toward the heavens, has been celebrated by people the world over. The spiritual value of Easter is reflected in the traditions and mythologies of many cultures and religions, all of which symbolize the Esoteric or root meaning: the triumph of the Christ over the Ego of the penitent seeker.

To understand this celebration, and the modern Holy Day of Easter, we must first understand something about the Christ
...







Originally posted by Marduk

I've read a few Zechariah Sitchin books on the subject a few years ago, which means I need to forget just about everything I read from him and find a better source

I like you a lot already




LOL


Do you have some good recommended reading on the Sumerian Religion and Culture you can share?



reply posted on 7-11-2006 @ 10:03 PM by Marduk
www.abovetopsecret.com...

theres a good list of online sites in thsi Pro Sitcin thread I wrote
do not under any circumstances read anything at this site unless you have a big bag of salt handy
www.sitchin.com...



reply posted on 7-11-2006 @ 10:08 PM by undo
Originally posted by Marduk
www.abovetopsecret.com...




Ooo nice thread. I tend to agree with alot of your initial critiques of his work, although there are some points he makes that are legitimately historical, simply because the original writers of the material, said it themselves.
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