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Originally posted by UnrealZA
He made a law stating that this would be a crime but it's OK to do so in another country?
Why don't we, again Americans, march against Chavez for his ignorant ramblings about our President?
Originally posted by jsobecky
If I were offered free oil, I'd smile and take it, and call him the chump he really is as soon as his back was turned.
Who is he kidding? After all, he stole the oil from the companies he nationalized. "Robin Hood Chavez". Yeah, that's it.
iori_komei
It's not theft, it belongs to the nation, they are allowing the corporations to use it, and if they decide they don't want to let them anymore, than the corporation has no right to say anything about it.
Originally posted by Rockpuck
Listen.. corporations own NOTHING if it is in the ground. The state owns it. We give our oil to mega corporations who sell it back to us while a few VERY FEW men at the top of the company reap the reward.
Corporations make me sick, and the article is correct Exxon would never do this, infact they led the charge to rape our pocket books for money in the name of supply n demand.
Makes me wonder what a few very inteligent world leaders feel like when a slacked jaw, monkey of a man with an IQ of a small rodant and the vocabulary of a 5 year old. Must make them feel all nice and warm inside.
Originally posted by jsobecky
Tell you what. I'm going to lease you this plot of land that I own. You build some buildings on it, have utilities installed, pave 5 acres, fill them up with brand new cars, and open up your new car dealership.
We'll draw up the leases and contracts, all according to law.
Then, when you have done all the grunt work, and have started to turn a profit, I'm gonna come back and nationalize it, because I decided that I didn't want you using the land anymore. I'm taking all your cars and buildings, too. The land belongs to the people, after all, right?
That's exactly the philosopy you are espousing.
I believe in the rule of law. You believe in mob rule. That's the difference.
Originally posted by soficrow
Back to Mussolini:
Communism is when the government owns the corporations; capitalism is when the corporations own the government.
Flip sides of the same coin.
Originally posted by soficrow
I just like Chavez cuz he's a little guy with big cajones - and he's not afraid to put his own neck on the line. Unlike his counterpart in the USA.
Originally posted by Rockpuck
Mineral rights mean nothing as Chavez rightfully proved. He took the oil and the company cant do a damn thing about it.
I work for a corporation and find it disgusting, careing about money instead of the actuall people they are supposed to care for.
Why are you so defendant on Bush.. is there something wrong with maybe seeing a little truth in another Presidents words? Do you not find it odd that not only are we making enemies all over the world but they are no longer affraid of Bush and tell him to his face he is the devil?
Originally posted by iori_komei
There's a big difference.
In that when you the person leasing the land and all that has tens of
billions of dollars.
I don't believe in massive rights for the mob/group, I do however for
the individual.
That aside, corporations have no right to do anything, they must do
what the governments say.
And that's coming from someone who intends to head an international
corporation.
Originally posted by jsobecky
News flash: Corporations exist to turn a profit, not to be your nanny.
Originally posted by soficrow
Which means that every time a corporation faces an 'a' or 'b' choice:
a) Do what's best for people, the environment, the planet; or
b) Forget the people, environment, and planet, and go for the bucks;
Then,
the corporation is legally required to choose 'b,' no waffling or compromise allowed.
Interesting system, dontcha think?
Originally posted by jsobecky
Most of his people live below the poverty line...
he supports terrorism in Colombia and other places...
The figures, on Page 5 of the Institute’s...
nationalization is theft, regardless of how much lipstick you put on that pig.
Originally posted by soficrow
Exactly.
Which means that every time a corporation faces an 'a' or 'b' choice:
a) Do what's best for people, the environment, the planet; or
b) Forget the people, environment, and planet, and go for the bucks;
Then,
the corporation is legally required to choose 'b,' no waffling or compromise allowed.
Interesting system, dontcha think?
[edit on 23-9-2006 by soficrow]
Originally posted by jsobecky
iori, I hate to say this, but you are very naive. To think that people start up a business with tens of billions of dollars behind them is proof that you don't know much about business.
Does it somehow make it "right" if he nationalizes a multi-billion dollar corporation's assets? How about the mom & pop grocery store? Is that different?
And why should it matter how much money they have? Are you against the rich?
And you hope to head an international corporation. Good luck to you.
Thomas Friedman -What the World Needs Now
For globalism to work, America can’t be afraid to act like the almighty superpower that it is.…The hidden hand of the market will never work without a hidden fist—McDonald’s cannot flourish without McDonnell Douglas, the designer of the F-15. And the hidden fist that keeps the world safe for Silicon Valley’s technologies is called the United States Army, Air Force, Navy and Marine Corps.
Rise Up Against the Empire
The hegemonic pretensions of the American empire are placing at risk the very survival of the human species. We continue to warn you about this danger and we appeal to the people of the United States and the world to halt this threat, which is like a sword hanging over our heads.
American empire is doing all it can to consolidate its system of domination. And we cannot allow them to do that. We cannot allow world dictatorship to be consolidated.
The government of the United States doesn't want peace. It wants to exploit its system of exploitation, of pillage, of hegemony through war.
Poverty Facts and Stats
For economic growth and almost all of the other indicators, the last 20 years [of the current form of globalization, from 1980 - 2000] have shown a very clear decline in progress as compared with the previous two decades [1960 - 1980]. For each indicator, countries were divided into five roughly equal groups, according to what level the countries had achieved by the start of the period (1960 or 1980). Among the findings:
Growth: The fall in economic growth rates was most pronounced and across the board for all groups or countries.
Life Expectancy: Progress in life expectancy was also reduced for 4 out of the 5 groups of countries, with the exception of the highest group (life expectancy 69-76 years).
Infant and Child Mortality: Progress in reducing infant mortality was also considerably slower during the period of globalization (1980-1998) than over the previous two decades.
Education and literacy: Progress in education also slowed during the period of globalization.
Originally posted by iori_komei
Well apart from the fact that reight and wrong are relative to the
person talking..
He has the right to nationalise the oil indsutry in his country, there's noth-
ing saying he can't in their constitution or laws.
Yes, I am against the rich because the amjority of them are rude, greedy
uptight snobs who don't deserve a dollar they have, and a good majority
of them have'nt even earned the money.
Originally posted by DeusEx
And there are places where rape isn't crime. Does that make it right? What about places where they quash freedom of religion/ Hey, it's not in their constitution, so it's OKAY!
All those doctors and bussiness owners would probably disagree with you. doctors tend to work hard, and anyone who owns a company tends to, too. Lawyers work hard. But hey, if you want to be bitter, go for it.