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Originally posted by dgtempe
I have the schitzophrenic answer to all this.
Chavez, is a dummy, uneducated, non-diplomat moron, but he speaks the truth!!
And a commie at that!
But knows what he's talking about! Go figure!!! This may be the trend of the future.
Global offensive
I believe it is time that we take up with courage and clarity a political, social, collective and ideological offensive across the world — a real offensive that permits us to move progressively, over the next years, the next decades, leaving behind the perverse, destructive, destroyer, capitalist model and go forward in constructing the socialist model to avoid barbarism and beyond that the annihilation of life on this planet.
I believe this idea has a strong connection with reality. I don’t think we have much time. Fidel Castro said in one of his speeches I read not so long ago, “tomorrow could be too late, let’s do now what we need to do”. I don't believe that this is an exaggeration. The environment is suffering damage that could be irreversible — global warming, the greenhouse effect, the melting of the polar ice caps, the rising sea level, hurricanes — with terrible social occurrences that will shake life on this planet.
..............
It is the moment of offensive, of the masses, of struggle, of battle. It is a new moment we have now and we don't know if we will have another moment later. We don’t know if we will have time.
I believe there is not enough time to wait 50 years for another moment so advantageous like this one to advance in the global struggle against imperialism, against imperialist hegemony and for the creation of new paths, the opening of new paths.
After two controversial years at the helm of oil-rich Venezuela, President Hugo Chavez appears to have finally taken the leap into what some are calling the Cubanization of his country.
During a speech Sunday, Chavez called on his supporters to form Cuban-style neighborhood watchdog groups -- "on every corner, on every block" -- in a move to insulate his leftist Bolivarian Revolution from criticism.
GDP has risen by more than 600% since 1996 reaching 206,125 billion Bolivar’s in 2004.
Originally posted by DeusEx
And there are places where rape isn't crime. Does that make it right? What about places where they quash freedom of religion...
if you want to be bitter, go for it.
Originally posted by df1
What do rape and quashing religous freedom have to do with anything related chavez or oil in venezuela? Your so desperate to bash the guy, because he stuck it to bush, that you will say absolutely anything, no matter how absurd.
During the December 2000 local elections, Chávez placed a referendum measure on the ballot that would mandate state-monitored elections within unions. The measure, which was condemned by the International Labour Organization (ILO) and International Confederation of Free Trade Unions (ICFTU) as undue interference in internal union matters, passed by a large margin on a very low electoral turnout.
Further augmenting state involvement in Venezuela's economy, Chávez nationalized Venepal, a formerly closed paper and cardboard manufacturing firm, on January 19, 2005. Workers had occupied the factory floor and restarted production, but following a failed deal with management and amidst management threats to liquidate the firm's equipment, Chávez ordered the nationalization, extended a line of credit to the workers, and ordered that the Venezuelan educational missions purchase more paper products from the company.
Venezuela is a major producer of oil products, which remain the keystone of the Venezuelan economy. Chávez has gained a reputation as a price hawk in OPEC, pushing for stringent enforcement of production quotas and higher target oil prices. At a June 2006 meeting, Venezuela was the only OPEC country calling for lowered production to drive oil prices higher. Industry analysts say Venezuela wants lower quotas because, under Chávez's administration, the output of Petróleos de Venezuela S.A. (PDVSA), Venezuela's state-owned oil company, has been reduced by 25% and Venezuela cannot meet its current quota.
But, according to The Boston Globe, critics say that the government defines "informal workers, such as street vendors, as employed, and exclud[es] adults who are studying in missions from unemployment numbers." Critics also point to figures released by the president of the Venezuelan National Statistics Institute, Elías Eljuri, which showed that poverty had actually risen by more than 10 percentage points under Chávez (to 53% in 2004). Chávez called for a new measure of poverty, a "social well-being index". Under this new definition, poverty registers at 40 percent.[108] Eljuri denies changing the statistic and claims it is entirely income excluding social programs. [112]
Originally posted by DeusEx
speculate about my motives.
bypass the union
So, he can't run the state-owned oil company, so he's also GIVING away oil to needy Americans...
backed up in Muaddib's posts.
Originally posted by df1
Speculation is unneccesary, your remarks leave no doubt...
I do not support Chavez, therefore I support Bush? That's some excellent logic. I do not want peas, therefore I want bread has about the same consistency. At no point did I ever state my support of Bush.
Reagan's by passing of the air traffic controllers union was ok, however chavez doing something similar is a crime. Your position sounds inconsistent and dishonest to me...
At no point did I ever say I supported Reagan's actions. But, continue to draw conclusions.
When something good is done for the american people you complain to high heaven, but we would never hear a whimper from you if the corporate oil cartel stole that same oil and price gouged the american people. Also you give your tacit approval when US foreign aide is sent to people in nearly every country on the planet, but should even one cent be given to an american citizen you call it evil socialism. This is the most unamerican crap Ive seen in a long time...
I don't even know where to begin with this one. Firstly, a bribe is not something good for my American cousins. Secondly, had you read what I posted, I objected to the fact that in this case, Chavez runs the Venezuelan corporate oil cartel and has publicly attempted to raise the price of oil. Thirdly, I don't tacitly approve of even my own country's foreign aid policies, much less our cousin's so to speak.
Fourthly, I'm Canadian. It's not my job to be American.
All you are saying is that you do not have a credible source. One of you distorts the truth and the other swears the distortion is true.
Wikipedia seems to agree with me, among others. Or is the fact that it goes against your quasi-Communist views what makes it uncredible? The facts aren't really in dispute here- Chavez is artificially inflating the price of oil, and trying to bribe Americans with it, too.
Do me a favor, check your facts before you un around accusing people of being 'unamerican' or assigning them beliefs based on your perceptions.
DE
Originally posted by df1
Reagan's by passing of the air traffic controllers union was ok, however chavez doing something similar is a crime. Your position sounds inconsistent and dishonest to me.
Originally posted by RedGolem
I do not compleatly see your point...
Originally posted by DeusEx
Originally posted by soficrow
Which means that every time a corporation faces an 'a' or 'b' choice:
a) Do what's best for people, the environment, the planet; or
b) Forget the people, environment, and planet, and go for the bucks;
Then,
the corporation is legally required to choose 'b,' no waffling or compromise allowed.
Interesting system, dontcha think?
Hooray for taking choice out of the matter!
Don't punish the corporations which feed so many because you take issue with them.
Originally posted by df1
Reagan's by passing of the air traffic controllers union was ok, however chavez doing something similar is a crime. Your position sounds inconsistent and dishonest to me.
PS: You guys are looking pretty bad.
Originally posted by jsobecky
Originally posted by df1
Reagan's by passing of the air traffic controllers union was ok, however chavez doing something similar is a crime. Your position sounds inconsistent and dishonest to me.
Reagan's actions were a matter of national safety. Chavez, on the other hand, is a petty thief.
I think they've made their points quite convincingly.
Originally posted by df1
...hearing rangel, pelosi and bush all chanting in chorus "our crime family right or wrong" is a real hoot, but it does not give me any confidence their ability to to govern in the interest of the american people.
...Instead of governing these parasites continuously parade the devil of the day in front of us; bin laden, saddam, gaddafi, ahmadinezhad and now chavez, the list is endless. These evil effigies are apparently suppose to keep my attention saluting the flag and bashing these external demons while the jokers in washington rob the treasury blind.
In the grand scheme of things chavez is a pimple on the butt of the universe and his actions have little or no influence on my daily life. The same can not be said for the demopublican criminal cabal in washington. The actions of the rangels, pelosis and bushs have a daily impact on the rules we must live by, our income and the safety of our families. ...
My focus is and will remain on the american devils which run our government. These people impact my life directly on daily basis with their stupid and criminal acts.
Originally posted by df1
Frankly Im at a complete loss as to what you could have possibly found convincing.
If chavez is a petty thief, then that made reagan the reigning mafia don of america. Surely you do not doubt that for any given year it could be shown that the theft from the US treasury exceeds the gnp of venezuela for that same year.
In the present day, hearing rangel, pelosi and bush all chanting in chorus "our crime family right or wrong" is a real hoot, but it does not give me any confidence in their ability to to govern in the interest of the american people. Instead of governing these parasites continuously parade the devil of the day in front of us; bin laden, saddam, gaddafi, ahmadinezhad and now chavez, the list is endless. These evil effigies are apparently suppose to keep my attention saluting the flag and bashing these external demons while the jokers in washington rob the treasury blind.
In the grand scheme of things chavez is a pimple on the butt of the universe and his actions have little or no influence on my daily life.
So please excuse me if I don't join your mob and charge down the street to tar feather the latest chimera taken out of the closet by our government.
Originally posted by jsobecky
You can hate our gov't for any reason you'd like.
What's odd is that that you also revere Chavez.
Originally posted by df1
Originally posted by jsobecky
You can hate our gov't for any reason you'd like.
I love the constitution and I love the american people. So it is certainly reasonable for me to hate those that are abusing and destroying the things I love. You make my hate of corrupt government sound like it is bad thing. Doesn't everyone hate corrupt and dishonest government officials too?
That's fine and understandable.
What's odd is that that you also revere Chavez.
Talk about odd. I refer to chavez as an "obscure 'tin horn' leader" and "a pimple on the butt of the universe", from which you conclude that I revere chavez.
Is your native language something other than english?
Originally posted by df1
What do rape and quashing religous freedom have to do with anything related chavez or oil in venezuela? Your so desperate to bash the guy, because he stuck it to bush, that you will say absolutely anything, no matter how absurd.
Damn right Im bitter. I want a free US economy, but our corporate socialist government is giving away our taxpayer dollars to a bunch of corporate welfare freeloaders. It has also created a system to give these same corporations a competitive advantage. Every US citizen should be bitter about this corruptions.
The US calling chavez a thief is like the mafia complaining about a teen shop lifting a candy bar.
Viva Chavez
Originally posted by BaastetNoir
Why haven't you moved to Venezula yet ?
Why are you seating at your nice airconditioner homes, with you buclets of greasy KFC in front of your faces watching your American MTV and complaining about the USA for ?
Go leave to Iran, or Venezuela or any otehr of these free countries you so much cheer on, Go love under their Freedom .. Go enjoy THEIR free nation and their Free economy.
Spoiled Rotten Whinning Pizza Stuffing Hypocrites!