No-757 Theory: Disinformation

Interesting thoughts on this one.

I spoke with a gal last year who had been living overseas, somewhere in Europe, and she had been watching CNN International coverage of 911. Apparently there was an interview with a witness who claimed to have seen a truck charge the Pentagon and then explode into the buildings outer wall. After a commercial break or return to the program, and in the days following this person's claim, there was no follow up with this account.

Simply erased!?

It doesn't surprise me at all that the government went into damage control and perhaps even disseminated false news through the media concerning the Pentagon Attack.

There's just too many secrets in Washington.

I spoke with a gal last year who had been living overseas, somewhere in Europe, and she had been watching CNN International coverage of 911. Apparently there was an interview with a witness who claimed to have seen a truck charge the Pentagon and then explode into the buildings outer wall. After a commercial break or return to the program, and in the days following this person's claim, there was no follow up with this account.

Sorry, but this so vague.It is another ,I heard form a freind of friend about a something kinda like! That never works out to well for ya.Ok,for giggles find me a truck that could go 500 miles an hour ,on land,that could have pierced the new bomb resistant outer skin of the pentagon.No,on second thought just check with the "gal "!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think the attacks of 9/11 was the repeat of history 'Pearl Harbour'. American Government have been at war since the start of 1900s they have fought with high tech weapons, and this no different they want a war after all at the peak of Soviet era the Soviets defence expenditure was 11 billion dollars I believe, American defence expenditure is a breath taking 370 billion dollars!! These big cats need a war, and also most of American government officials are Zionist so they want the Arab race to be destroyed.

Originally posted by Long Lance
where has all the evidence gone? don't know but does that mean nothing happened?

of course not. disappearing of aircraft and passengers happens naturally (think Bermuda triangle) sometimes they're not found. does that mean they didn't crash? of course not. in the same vein, killing all passengers on a remote military base then scrapping or scuttling the plane wouldn't be that hard. it's not a game breaker at all.

[edit on 13-7-2006 by Long Lance]

where does the evidence ever go?

Originally posted by Duhh
Sorry, but this so vague.It is another ,I heard form a freind of friend about a something kinda like! That never works out to well for ya.Ok,for giggles find me a truck that could go 500 miles an hour ,on land,that could have pierced the new bomb resistant outer skin of the pentagon.No,on second thought just check with the "gal "!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

great logic. typical 'debunking911.com' 'thinking'.

the premise: no plane.
the alternate explanation: a truck bomb

the 'reason' truck bomb 'impossible': it can't go 500 miles per hour and a truck bomb can't make a hole (tell that to the dead of oklahoma's murrah bldg.)

i don't think it was a truck bomb, but that logic is silly.

an argument i have been having with myself has been rectified, on the bright side....

the punchout hole in c-ring......

why was it a 'clean' hole, and why was there ZERO damage to the next wall?

because, whatever it was stopped IN THE HOLE by friction(unless, of course, it was blown out from the outside with explosions), and then removed before any pictures were taken.

So exactly what did hit the Pentagon then?

No wing or tail damage from any type of resisting force.

No penetration from more robust steel comprised engines through the building yet an aluminum alloy/carbon fiber fuselage managed to penetrate 3 rings of the Pentagon? Something doesn't add up.

Doesn't add up at all.

I haven't been to the ATS forums for some time. Much has been happening since. Regarding 911, I refer to the old adage that says "Something is rotten in the state of Denmark" and until a full and thorough investigation by an INDEPENDENT commission is conducted, I'm affraid we may all just have to be content with going around in circles. Yes something did hit the Pentagon; what exactly I don't know. However, for a different take on an eyewitness account, listen to the media streams from the Republican Broadcasting Network. The interveiws are conducted by Michael Piper and Christopher Bollyn (American Free Press), with eyewitness Sam Danner. The first is aired Mon, July 10 2006.

mp3.rbnlive.com...

Regards
Micool

The Pentagon and flight 77 are the key to 911, do not and I repeat do not allow misinformation specialists sway you to moving away from the no 757 hit the pentagon. There is no foundation for a remark that a 757 hit the pentagon what so ever!
Why would people state tht saying or thinking anything but what the government line states is wrong and hurts the 911 movement. I did not know that ats was the center of the 911 movement or had jurisdiction over the movement. Why are people trying to push photos that have no scientific and business evidence to back them up. What business evidence do you ask, one is supply inventory control numbers of parts and resources of flight Registration: N644AA
C/n / msn: 24602/365 aka flight 77. Who has matched serial numbers of gps,seat numbers,food carts,engine cowls, pilot bose headsets,wheel rims have serial codes. Not one piece of evidence has bee cross referenced against inventory software, yet we are being told that if we don't believe the official government story we are hurting the 911 movement. HELLO; I thought it was the official line that was furting the 911 movement.
Why is flight 77 the key to all of the 911 movement, and why are many internet writers and forums afraid to tackle the pentagon story and flight 77! ARe the afraid of what they would find, or perish what if the government broke their hearts by what it had done on 911.
I have seen the misinformation at work on ats and its good, but why are people asking questions about 911. We know that people died on 911 and we felt that planes hit the buildings aka Type: Boeing 767-222
Operator: United Airlines Registration: N612UA C/n / msn: 21873/41.
Even with the towers there was no NTSB investigation and the same goes for the parts of the plane, you must follow the government conclusion that two specific planes hit the TWC,melted the steel and caused a total fall of the two buildings.
Why is the pentagon so important to the 911 movement and the government aside that it is the brains of the military and government and federal contractors.
Is it the unreleased videos that make the pentagon so important! Is it the same again conclusion by fractions that normally would not do or have a hand in air crash investigations, probably not.
Maybe its the demon we do not wish to see or hear about, what if we were to lift the curtain of the OZ machine and we found out what happened to the flight 77 and passengers. Are people afraid and really do not wish to find out the fate of flight 77 passengers. How would people react to an event of cold blooded murder in the worst degree, something that frightens you and makes you look away.
If no boeing 757-223 hit the pentagon then what really happened to flight 77. 911 is history now and people would rather think of something else, besides that day
of horror. I feel the same way and I am afraid to really know the fate, but I also know and understand that in reality no 757 hit the pentagon, but I fear the truth!

The JEWS and Bush Adminstration done it. They are bad people And the Isrealies should be Blamed to the fullest it looks like those JEWZ are gonna cause alot of damage to this world, more than we can imagine.

EVIL REALLY

Now lets make innocent people pay the price for such self ish tactics done by the so called BEST COUNTRY in THE WORLD!

[edit on 7-9-2006 by GhosTBR55]

Lets not all forget about the CIA term for mind control (SLIDES). From what I read about it, is the conditioned mind, (MIND CONTROL) questioning everything set in front of it, then moving on to a new idea presented and concentrating on this new idea and forgetting about the impotance of the previous. Just like watching a slide show, only given enough time from each slide to the next to investigate it ! See with all this 9/11 info floating around and everything else the is being thrown at us, through free media and government controlled media. The world gov's have conditioned our minds to not fully investigate world gov plots and cover-ups down to the finest minute detail. We must all remember the NWO's play in all this conspiracy and trgedies that occur before our eyes.


A conditioned mind is not of concern it is the enlightened mind that causes concern (REBELLION)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by bsbray11

Originally posted by aelphaeis_mangarae
Personally I think when trying to prove the 9/11 conspiracy we should stay away from the Pentagon. But amongst 9/11 researchers it is ok to discuss it.

Same. Personally, I'm more inclined to believe they flew a 757 into that building in such a way as to make it look as though nothing of the sort happened. Remember that pre-9/11 program that looked into readiness for a 757 slamming the Pentagon?

More on MASCAL. But how much does this matter ultimately?

I have to say this bisbray11 why would you consider the non 757 in the pentagon a trail of misinformation.
1. Why in the world would the terrorists hit the pentagon in the first place.
2. who were in the area of the pentagon that was hit.
3. IN all the building hits from Nyyork to dc, why were such important records of
of accounting problems from businesses destroyed.
4. Why no release of privately owned tapes stolen by the FBI without writ to procure for evidence, no paper trail back.
5. Why are we to belive that FBI agents actually took the 86 tapes around the pentagon, could it have been mossad agents taking evidence.
6. Why are people on ats so against real information and so for misinformation.
7. bisbray11 is giving a real misinformation ouput here, how can a person or people fly a gaint 757 into a building to look as though nothing of the sort happened. What happened did someone spray invisible paint on the plane after it hit the building or what. Bad misinformation.
8. Why are there so many posting here the story given by a out of control governemnt to a site that is about alternative views of human events?
9. Why cannot the jewish factor being part of the 911 events not be part of the discussion at ats or is the truth not welcomed here.

I have read through all these posts, and I have seen a lot of different ideas and theories. Is the Pentagon telling the truth to misinform, are they just spewing random garbage to distract us, were Israelies responsible, was it a super explosive truck driving at 500 mph, did our government allow all of this to happen, were the passengers on fight 77 processed like so much Soylent Green at a secret government facility, is any of this important or is it all BS? Well regardless of any of this, I have done some of my own research (and contrary to what was said, examining pictures, critically analyzing them along with the rest of the presented data and coming to your own perspective based on the evidence is indeed research), and I have watched the poorly recorded pentagon crash video that gave me little to go on, a truck seems doubtful, could it have been doctored to look like a plane? Sure, but then again I could be a partially cybernetic cloned spy for the government, in other words you need to come to the truth on your own. I have also seen the images of the hole that was blown into the side of the Pentagon, and it was an absolute wreckage, as opposed to the individual who said it was a "clean hole". Even if our government planned this, the people on the ground and in that building were almost certainly in the dark about it. Just ask the personnel who were blasted and cooked into dismembered, charred gobs of fat, and uniforms. They died horrible deaths along with the rest of the victims, and in my opinion all of this carnage and death continues to succesfully fuel the war machines and the agendas of those who need this future in order to complete their goals. Our simple bickering over what or who blew up the Pentagon only serves to distract us from their purpose. If you look at the current world situation, you may be able to see that this will only continue until someone takes a stand against the lies and rhetoric, or it could soon be far too late for anyone to do anything.

Originally posted by mondegreen
I have to say this bisbray11 why would you consider the non 757 in the pentagon a trail of misinformation.

To answer your questions, and maybe clarify my position, I don't think any foreign terrorists hit the Pentagon with anything. I realize mostly Navy officers were in that wing, and it was otherwise pretty vacant because it was under construction, which makes it strange the the alleged terrorists would have went so far out of their way to hit it.

I believe all the issues you raise of information relating to the Pentagon are legitimate. The missing money, even NESARA (look it up!) allegedly about to come to surface because of the involvement of key Pentagon officials (that were then killed for this reason, by this theory).

What I think we should stay away from is whether or not a 757 hit the Pentagon. I don't think it's that far-fetched to say that a 757 did. I have seen videos of jets impacting concrete walls at hundreds of miles per hour in government tests (interesting thing to test, wouldn't you say?), and they are completely destroyed. Aircrafts simply aren't made of very heavy material, being made of mostly thin aluminum. This is why they caused so little damage to the WTC structures, as the WTC structures were constructed of huge beams of industrial steel.


If so many people become convinced, by whatever logic, that a 757 could not have possibly hit the Pentagon, when such aircraft impacts really would not have to cause significant damage or leave behind huge pieces of debris, then what would you do if the Pentagon released videos showing the impact? You know they have them. They have scores of videos of it, by their own admission if I'm not mistaken. You know what would happen? It would potentially destroy any momentum the "truth movement" had built up, even on more solid scientific cases, and more damning cases built on monetary connections and etc.

Einstein theory that E=Mc2 is a theory of application. Its simple to state that if you fire a gun the result is a object comes out of the barrel and we also have a backwards push from gravity.
This should have happened in the pentagon case, but we do not find that and yet if we did it is being held as classified evidence. The so called object that hit the pentagon should have released energy backwards toward it entrance point. We should have seen the tail release itself from the end part of the jet or subject
metal mold that was itself. We did witness energy releases in the form of radiation, but we have not been given the detailed information as to what its atomic weight is thus people could identify what object it was released from!
www.v911t.org...

Some of these exercises included the scenarios of hijacked planes crashing into, our building the world trade center, the White House, Sears Tower, and the
Pentagon. These drills or exercises as we called them, were classified Top Secret. Having a Top Secret rated clearance I was dumb founded that they would ever push a training exercise above the level of Secret. Over my 8 years in the Army, I had participated in many exercises around the world, none of which were ever classified over the Secret level.

More and more people are speaking up and people that were there and were part of the exercises are rising questions. At the least there was just a hand full of personnel that did 911, I bet you they were not americans and if some were americans they were dual citizenship.
killtown.blogspot.com...

Explosions Inside WTC 6 Lobby

KT: You mentioned you were running west on Vesey Street, what happened after that?

PO: I just kept running. I was aware there were other people running as well. After passing the cars on fire, I was trying to find someplace safe. I tried to run into the lobby of 6 World Trade, but there were federal police -- maybe 4 to 6 of them -- standing in the open doorways. As I tried to run in, they wouldn't let me, waving me out, telling me "you can't come in here, keep running." As I turned to start running west again, I saw a series of flashes around the ceiling of the lobby all going off one-by-one like the X-mass lights that "chase" in pattern. I think I started running faster at that point.

KT: Did you hear any "popping" sounds when each of these flashes in the WTC 6 lobby were going off?

PO: Yes, that part was like a movie. The pops were at the same time as the flashes.

Ground explosions around around the wtc but you hear no one hear on this ite asking questions about them. People are isolated who ask such question here.

It must be remarked that the only scenario ever supplied to the public via the official media was the Bush-Cheney scenario, that Arab hijackers seized control of the four aircraft and proceeded to pilot them into national landmarks, killing both themselves and their passengers. Clearly, the Bush-Cheney scenario, considered in detail, explains none of the suspicious circumstances, none of the anomalies and is directly contradicted by the facts adduced in the third category. As scenarios go, it is a distinct failure.

www.physics911.net...
I cannot state with a fact that a 757 hit the pentagon nor can I state one did not hit the pentagon. I cannot state about your theory that a no 757 hit is misinformation. The reason is about all the theories be confusing is that the government has not back them. You forget that the majority of who matters in america, where there during and before WWII, korea, jfk,rfk, vietnam,the moon landing, a host of other things. These people rule america and do not move unless they feel comfortable about moving. They may be questioning about 911 and events after, but their still waiting for the government to sooth their pain and questions.
Operation pearl is strange event, there are things there but its like finding a alien space craft, if you find it what do you do about it. If you do report it and have photos and an interview with the ufo passengers does the government axe you and take the films and report you having a mind melt.
That is what real investigations are facing about 911 and the events fbefore and after, because so much of it was being run as top secret plans. operation pearl does have some strange information that needs to be investigated such as the

This particular rearrangement scheme is supported by the appearance at Cleveland's Hopkins airport of two aircraft between 10:00 am and 11:00 am on the morning of September 11. (Box 2003) During this time, the airport was shut down and evacuated for the hour. Cause of the evacuation was a radio message from Delta 1989 expressing concerns that a bomb may have been planted on the aircraft. Delta 1989, landed at approximately 10:15 am and sat on a runway at the FAA Center, its 69 passengers and crew not being deplaned until after 11:00 pm, when the aircraft was searched. At about 10:45, a "mystery" aircraft landed, then proceeded to a remote part of the airport near the NASA Center, where it sat for half an hour before taking off again. It had approximately 200 passengers aboard. Both aircraft were "searched" during their stay at Hopkins airport. Delta 1989, despite arriving much earlier than the mystery flight, was not released until 11:15 am, after the airport had reopened. Passengers from that flight were interviewed, but no passengers from the mystery flight were seen by any member of the media or public during its stay at Cleveland. Their total reported number of approximately 200, matches closely the total number of passengers and flight crews from UA175, AA77 and AA11, namely 192.

I would like to know about that mystery jet and passengers, if it can be explained then thats another loose end that people can ignore about 911.

Originally posted by xmotex
Why go to the trouble of building remote controlled airliners when you can find fanatics who'll be glad to fly them for free? Why surrepitously place demolition charges in buildings when fire, gravity, and the kinetic effects of a 400,000lb object hitting a hollow structure at 550mph will do the job just as well? It simply doesn't make sense.

[edit on 7/13/06 by xmotex]

Right Im not saying whether or not the WTC was blown up by demolition explosive or not but how do you know that fire, gravity, and the kinetic effects of a 400,000lb object hitting a hollow structure at 550mph will do the job just as well?

Not sure if theirs a thread about on the "John White" Faked pentagon photos has anyone seen them take it from me DONT... load of poop, i gave up half way through their wasnt nothing in them that made sense.
stating this photos a fake etc etc Im no photo expert however its obvious to see that apart from the grass in the pictures on the pentagon beng a slighly lighter green their isnt nothing out of th ordinary, okay we are all talking about "What" hit the pentagon 757 or something else who known's perhaps we will never know simply putting it, theirs plenty of dodgy stuff going on as well as John Whites faked photos keep up the good work john

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Originally posted by aelphaeis_mangarae
What we need is an EXPERT to PROVE the wreckage found at the Pentagon does or does not come from a Boeing 757.

The reason why no one serious wants to get involved with an investigation like this is that the second they find evidence that disputes the “BS Movement”, they get picked apart and called disinformation agents…

A prime example:


I believe that I have repeatedly explained that this piece of debris is the inside of a cargo hold doorway, yet I still see it called everything under the sun. On this posters site, that I just got the image off of, he says it’s friggen office equipment.

That gray pattern of circles, like on the dial of an old phone, is classically seen on the inside of cargo doorways near the light switch. Doorways are more reinforced as they have to hold the pressure of the door, and come into contact with ground handling equipment, thus it was able to somehow lucky enough to survive the tumble through the building.

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Same with this photo. I saw the fireball from the NW 727 that crashed at Detroit Metro Airport back in the 80’s and it looked exactly like this, like a mushroom cloud. Yet here we are being told it can only come from an explosive device.

But of course, I am not someone that has witnessed a crash, worked on aircraft, or anything. I am a disinformation agent I am sure, right?

[edit on 10/21/2006 by defcon5]