Iraq's forces finds two missing soldiers dead, tortured.

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posted on Jun, 21 2006 @ 01:26 AM
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Distressing as this is, i don't find these cowardly acts suprising at all. I read an article in the paper yesterday describing how the paras were forced to ceasefire on the taliban when they started pushing toddlers out of a camp gates into the path of the gunfire. Disgusting!

My thoughts go out to the families and colleagues of these two soldiers.

I partly agree with the carpet bombing comment, then again how many civillians would die too?

CX.




posted on Jun, 21 2006 @ 01:34 AM
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I began my bachelors degree in Fall of 2002 at The George Washington University in Washington D.C., I am a member of the first post 9/11 class. I also have my Officer Board Interview for the United States Army on July 20th. My voluntary MOS is 11-A, Infantry Officer. Today, after the 2 Soldiers mangled corpses hit the wire, my mother said I don't want you to persue the field you have prepared for all this time, but if not people who feel as you do, then who?

People can complain all they want that no American is willing to shed blood for the current conflict, but we are here.


[edit on 21-6-2006 by Baphomet79]


CX

posted on Jun, 21 2006 @ 03:03 AM
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Sky News has a report saying the soldiers were beheaded too, that would explain the identification problems.

www.sky.com...

CX.



posted on Jun, 21 2006 @ 05:55 AM
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Don't forget that all these war atrocities only began when the widespread torture of American prisoners at Abu Gharib became public. They then retaliated by publicly beheading some American prisoners.

Remember " Lindy" the female army driver that was captured ? She was very well treated by her captors. If America had stuck to the Geneva convention, none of this would be happening now.

America started all this torture business, so now Americans know exactly what to expect if captured.


CX

posted on Jun, 21 2006 @ 06:11 AM
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I'm not sure if i'd blame the US's treatment of prisoners for all of the torture carried out nowadays. Yes i'm sure it did'nt help, but then again i'm also sure that insurgents were carrying out torture a long time before the Abu Ghraib issue.

We could blame many factors if we wanted to, how about the CIA dragging people off to secret camps and torturing them?

As is the case with our own troops, i think it depends on who you fall into the hands of, determines how you get treated. Not all insurgents automatically torture you and behead you. There have been cases where hostages have been released unharmed SINCE the Abu Ghraib photo's.

Jill Caroll

Same with our troops, a lot of them will treat prisoners well, some don't. Luck of the draw i guess.

CX.



posted on Jun, 21 2006 @ 06:33 AM
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We all know often the media only reports part of a story and keeps the rest back for various reasons. We may have had a glimps of that this morning.

Watching FoxNews this morning E.D. Hill basically lost it over these deaths. She was rather upset and stated the following things had occured. 1. Their throats were slit. 2. Some unnamed body parts had been cut off and stuffed in their mouths. 3. Their hearts were cut from their chest.

So instead of killing the troops and dumping the bodies they also desecrated the corpse. How will our troops there deal with the threat of kidnappings now? I wonder how these 18 year olds are going to deal with every single person approaching them being a potential kidnapper.

This will not end well for either side.



posted on Jun, 21 2006 @ 06:42 AM
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Originally posted by Earlybird
I heard about several liberal blogs that are actually happy
about this outcome for our troops.


So, what do you all think Amnesty International has to say
about this? NOTHING. That's right. NOTHING. As of this
writing they, the alleged leaders of human rights around the
world, say NOTHING. They continue to blather on about
non-existent torture at GITMO ... but REAL torture of
Americans merits nothing from them.

Sickening. They used to be such a cause for good. Now
they are nothing more than anti-American politicians and
definately NOT interested in human rights.



posted on Jun, 21 2006 @ 06:45 AM
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Originally posted by CX


As is the case with our own troops, i think it depends on who you fall into the hands of, determines how you get treated. Not all insurgents automatically torture you and behead you. There have been cases where hostages have been released unharmed SINCE the Abu Ghraib photo's.

Jill Caroll

Same with our troops, a lot of them will treat prisoners well, some don't. Luck of the draw i guess.

CX.


Yes I agree with you.

We have had many (20-30?) Australian civilians murdered or kidnapped by insurgents, mainly through road ambush. Those that have been captured were very easily mistaken for being Americans. They initially had a pretty rough time. But once it was established they were really Australians, they were usually released a bit the worse for wear.

I am not saying all Americans are monsters, but in just the last couple of days three American soldiers have been charged with murder. It is now getting pretty brutal over there on both sides.

The insurgents don't mind Australians being there, we are guests in the country assisting with the inflow of international aid, along with many other nations. In fact a lot of the food we ship in filters straight down to the insurgents. So for a captured Aussie it is just bad luck until it is straightened out. To them we look and speak just like Americans.



posted on Jun, 21 2006 @ 06:49 AM
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Originally posted by Warpspeed
Don't forget that all these war atrocities only began when the
widespread torture of American prisoners at Abu Gharib became public.


'Widespread torture'?? That's completely not true. A few people were
mistreated - they had dogs barking at them while they were naked. That's not
torture; it wasn't widespread; and it doesn't even come close to what the
terrorists are doing to people.

The soldiers captured with Jessica Lynch were shot point blank in the head
after being captured. Also, her body had signs of being sodomized.

The beheadings of aid workers and civilian contractors by the insurgents
and terrorists have been happening all along.

Don't even try to go the route that America brought this on.
That's completely not true.



posted on Jun, 21 2006 @ 07:01 AM
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Don't even try to go the route that America brought this on.
That's completely not true.


Um okay but let's not forget this was a pre-emptive war. Iraq did not do anything to us. They did not attack us. We chose to invade and occupy them.

Torture is bad but don't bury your head in the sand about why the terrorist are even in Iraq in the first place.



posted on Jun, 21 2006 @ 07:20 AM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by Earlybird
I heard about several liberal blogs that are actually happy
about this outcome for our troops.


So, what do you all think Amnesty International has to say
about this? NOTHING. That's right. NOTHING. As of this
writing they, the alleged leaders of human rights around the
world, say NOTHING. They continue to blather on about
non-existent torture at GITMO ... but REAL torture of
Americans merits nothing from them.

Sickening. They used to be such a cause for good. Now
they are nothing more than anti-American politicians and
definately NOT interested in human rights.



Indeed, it appears the so called "insurgents" who profess belief in a so called "god", who so desecrate these soldier's bodies after murdering them have little regard for "human rights".

Geneva what? Ha, these guys don't give a flyin rats arse about no "rules of engagement"

And what say we compare Abu Gharab with these monsters, yeah right, let us compare US servicemen and women to these filth, let us equate the treatment of prisoners at Guantanamo Bay with the treatment of these GI's when they were prisoners in the hands of the "insurgents"........ compared to mutilation of bodies after murdering them, what went on at Gitmo/Abu Gharab is a walk in the park on a sunny afternoon.

When will it become apparent these evil bastards were doing their dastardly deeds long before the US went in there? long before 9/11.....long before "Bush".

Do you really think that if they succeed in their goal of establishing their so called "Islamic Law" with it's form of "justice" that you will be safe to speak the things you speak, write the things you write, say the things you say?

I am grateful President Bush, Tony Blair, all those involved, including all servicemen and women, have the GUTS to stand and fight these bastards, if it takes a hundred years to annihilate them, so be it.



posted on Jun, 21 2006 @ 07:27 AM
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Originally posted by Warpspeed
Don't forget that all these war atrocities only began when the widespread torture of American prisoners at Abu Gharib became public. They then retaliated by publicly beheading some American prisoners.

Remember " Lindy" the female army driver that was captured ? She was very well treated by her captors. If America had stuck to the Geneva convention, none of this would be happening now.

America started all this torture business, so now Americans know exactly what to expect if captured.


Your definition of torture is laughable at the least. At the worst the Abu Gharib prisioners experienced a mild hazing. You want to talk torture, read up on what the North Vietnamese did to US POWs. Look at what the Japanese did to their prisioners in WWII. Take off your rose colored glasses and look at the real world.

"Lindy" as you call her was captured by the Iraqi Army and was fortunate enough to be taken to a civilian hospital.

In 1983 my helicopter squadron was flying the injured from the bombing of the Marine Barracks in Lebanon. We were told in briefings what would probably happen to us if our aircraft was shot down.

Don't go telling me that Americans started this whole torture bit, it has been going on a lot longer than just the last few years.



posted on Jun, 21 2006 @ 07:36 AM
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the bodies of two missing U.S. soldiers showed signs of torture, and that men appeared to have been killed


This is completely against the geneva conventions and any international standard of treatment of captives. Does this mean that the insurgency doesn't get geneva protections?



posted on Jun, 21 2006 @ 07:48 AM
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I am grateful President Bush, Tony Blair, all those involved, including all servicemen and women, have the GUTS to stand and fight these bastards, if it takes a hundred years to annihilate them, so be it.



But why ?

Australia and Japan and several other Nations have troops there as guests of the Iraqi government providing civilian aid, we are not at war with anyone in Iraq.

What exactly is America doing there ? What is the objective you wish to fight for ?

Only a complete fool believes there are still WMD hidden there somewhere.

Why not just go home, and let us rebuild Iraq ?

You guys are just insane with blood lust, that is all it is, insanity.



posted on Jun, 21 2006 @ 07:57 AM
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Originally posted by Warpspeed
Why not just go home, and let us rebuild Iraq ?

If the US leaves, but the others stay, then the others will be the target of the insurgency, and it will be japanese and oz-landers being mutiliated.


You guys are just insane with blood lust, that is all it is, insanity.

Bah. If the US was venting blood lust, the whole country would be a grave yard and "iraqi" would be extinct. If the US was a quarter as violent and sadistic as the monsters that cut these men up, then iraqis would actually have something to shake and tremble about.



posted on Jun, 21 2006 @ 08:10 AM
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2 more of the american amarada killed in progress of keeping their rich rich,
bravo to the Bush admin and bush supporters




This is completely against the geneva conventions and any international standard of treatment of captives. Does this mean that the insurgency doesn't get geneva protections?


if the US doesnt follow it you really think insurgents would bother?


edit: anychance we could expect another Haditha where us forces indiscriminately killed (well almost) a entire family in a revenge attack

[edit on 21-6-2006 by bodrul]



posted on Jun, 21 2006 @ 08:17 AM
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Originally posted by Warpspeed



I am grateful President Bush, Tony Blair, all those involved, including all servicemen and women, have the GUTS to stand and fight these bastards, if it takes a hundred years to annihilate them, so be it.



But why ?

Australia and Japan and several other Nations have troops there as guests of the Iraqi government providing civilian aid, we are not at war with anyone in Iraq.

What exactly is America doing there ? What is the objective you wish to fight for ?

Only a complete fool believes there are still WMD hidden there somewhere.

Why not just go home, and let us rebuild Iraq ?

You guys are just insane with blood lust, that is all it is, insanity.


One would have to subscribe to the belief that those who represent what has been labeled "the insurgency" are in fact Islamofacists who wish to topple governments in the region and set up their Islamofacist rule, eventually forcing the entire world to submit.

I subscribe to this belief.

I further believe the majority of Iraqi citizens do not wish to live under the umbrella of terror these Islamofacists wish to impose upon them. Do you sir/madam wish to trade your life for a failure to adhere to the principles of Islamofacism?....if so, so be it.

I do not.

The U.S. is there to assist the Iraqi people, whether one believes such to be true is up to that individual.

WMD's.....this argument is as worn as an old tire......not useful to me personally, and not even a slight consideration, further not the sole reason the U.S. is in Iraq, many of which are available for the eye to see with simple historical research, if one wishes to do so.

You've asked for the U.S. to go home so you can rebuild Iraq, that is interesting, and to me, a sign of complete misunderstanding of what in fact is going on there. Why not you ask the Iraqi government if they wish for the United States to pack up and go home?

Bloodlust is murdering an unarmed prisoner, cutting off his head, slicing up his face, torturing his body, stuffing his genitals in his mouth, THAT is bloodlust, and THAT is the type of mindset I personally wish to see annihilated from the surface of this earth, and THAT is what the "islamofacists" have been engaging in long before "Bush" if you so choose focus on he alone, decided to stand up to these so called men, and defeat them.

If you wish to go to these so called "insurgents" with an olive branch, please do so, feel free to report back here as to how you made out!



posted on Jun, 21 2006 @ 08:17 AM
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Australia and Japan and several other Nations have troops there as guests of the Iraqi government providing civilian aid, we are not at war with anyone in Iraq.


The sole purpose of the argument is that 'you' are there as guests of the Government? Well so is every country based in Iraq because we essentially created their Government, I haven't heard of any official requests for coalition forces to leave as they are much needed. Without them I am more than sure the Iraqi Government would fall.

So it leads to the question, guests of the people? Probably not. The fact of the matter is both Japanese and Austrailians have been killed, it's a still a warzone. Fighting a hidden enemy. . Do not forget that around 2,000 Austrailians assisted in the attack of Iraq and the occupation from the start of the war.


What exactly is America doing there ? What is the objective you wish to fight for ?

Only a complete fool believes there are still WMD hidden there somewhere.

Did you read the 'massive story' highlighted on Abovetopsecret? It featured an interview with a specialist who still believes there are WMD in Iraq but the sites haven't been searched yet? I am not nieve enough to suggest that is the only reason we are there, BUT noone can deny that the US is fairly strict when governing the issue of WMD.


Why not just go home, and let us rebuild Iraq ?

I am well aware the Japanese are rebuilding Iraq, I haven't heard nor seen any Austrailians rebuilding Iraq. I was always under the impression that the Austrailians are manning checkpoints and guarding rebuilding?

In short without the Coalition forces, basically US and UK, all this rebuilding work would go to waste. 'We' are initially enforcing a Government, letting it crawl and eventually walk. Do not be so ignorant of our presence over there.



posted on Jun, 21 2006 @ 08:20 AM
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Originally posted by Nygdan

Originally posted by Warpspeed
Why not just go home, and let us rebuild Iraq ?

If the US leaves, but the others stay, then the others will be the target of the insurgency, and it will be japanese and oz-landers being mutilated.


You guys are just insane with blood lust, that is all it is, insanity.

Bah. If the US was venting blood lust, the whole country would be a grave yard and "iraqi" would be extinct. If the US was a quarter as violent and sadistic as the monsters that cut these men up, then iraqis would actually have something to shake and tremble about.


You have absolutely no idea of this.

Only Americans (and British) troops are being attacked by insurgents because you have invaded their country and are attacking them.

We are guests there and we are not fired upon either by the US or by the insurgents. We make damned sure there is no friendly fire from either side by telling both the US command, and the insurgents where we are, what we plan to do, and when.

You make it sound like the US are protecting us. That is simply not true, even if it were possible. What a joke, our road convoys pass freely, then five minutes later a US patrol goes by and the roadside bombs put more Americans into body bags. Then another food convoy passes unscathed. That is how it is.

The reason why there have been zero Australian combat deaths or casualties is because nobody is firing at us. Why can't you understand that.

We have nothing to do with US operations there, you guys wanted this war, not us.

You make this sound like some glorious battle, it is just mass stupidity. There is no valid reason for the US to even be there, no objective, no exit strategy. Just dumb mindless stupidity.



posted on Jun, 21 2006 @ 08:52 AM
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Originally posted by Warpspeed
We have had many (20-30?) Australian civilians murdered or kidnapped by insurgents, mainly through road ambush. Those that have been captured were very easily mistaken for being Americans. They initially had a pretty rough time. But once it was established they were really Australians, they were usually released a bit the worse for wear.


I don't think they give a dam if you are Austrailian or American, they would view you as an infidel and occupier.


I am not saying all Americans are monsters, but in just the last couple of days three American soldiers have been charged with murder. It is now getting pretty brutal over there on both sides.


Where you been for the last 3 years. Its been brutal long before you knew about atrocities on both sides.


The insurgents don't mind Australians being there, we are guests in the country assisting with the inflow of international aid, along with many other nations. In fact a lot of the food we ship in filters straight down to the insurgents. So for a captured Aussie it is just bad luck until it is straightened out. To them we look and speak just like Americans.


Insurgents dont mind???





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