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Originally posted by andrew ky
Why be a Mason? Why join a secret society? What is actually being aimed at when one pledges oneself to this group?
Originally posted by andrew ky
I find the following quotes from Albert Pike to be pretty good reasons to begin questioning the true nature of freemasonry.
"LUCIFER, the Light-bearer! Strange and mysterious name to give to the Spirit of Darknesss! Lucifer, the Son of the Morning! Is it he who bears the Light, and with its splendors intolerable blinds feeble, sensual or selfish Souls? Doubt it not!" p.321
"Masonry, like all the Religions, all the Mysteries, Hermeticism and Alchemy, conceals its secrets from all except the Adepts and Sages, or the Elect, and uses false explanations and misinterpretations of its symbols to mislead those who deserve only to be misled, to conceal the truth, which it calls Light, from them, and to draw them away from it. Truth is not for those who are unworthy or unable to receive it, or would pervert it."
"The Blue Degrees are but the outer court or portico of the Temple. Part of the symbols are displayed there to the Initiate, but he is intentionally misled by false interpretations. It is not intended that he shall understand them; but it is intended that he shall imagine he understands them. Their true explication is reserved for the Adepts, the Princes of Masonry ... It is well enough for the mass of those called Masons, to imagine that all is contained in the Blue Degrees; and whose attempts to undeceive them will labor in vain."
I also consider the notion of protecting truth by swearing vicious oaths vis a vis the breaking of freemaonsy's secrecy code, to be contrary to any kind of truth I would wish to belong to.
I also consider truth or real spirituality to be intimately connected with the merging of oneself with life/God/the Self etc in a spirit of humility.
....and all this Grand Master titled stuff to be exactly at odds with this true wisdom, in that we are dealing with something that is exalting the ego rather than warning against it.
Crowley's "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law" incidentally is the prefect summation of the satanic belief, or if one is repelled by such dramatic words as satanic, it is the exaltation of the ego.
And this may sound great and liberating to some, but remember that the logical follow ons from this idea are that, for example, there is nothing wrong with extermination camps. Or that the vilest thing you can imagine is not vile at all. That for example slitting a child's troath and forcing another child to drink the blood(forgive the ugliness of the example but the point should be made), before sexually abusing that child.. well that's all perfectly ok and even good as it exalts one's sense of self.
Originally posted by Masonic Light
Originally posted by dnero6911
hrmm.. well I find that interesting to say the least... but my question is.. if freemasonry is about the light or knowledge how can they dismiss a very important part of society [drugs].. from a shamanistic point-of-view?
so can freemasons make the sound judgement that those types of spiritual awakening are wrong? and if so, what makes the freemasons way correct? (just asking)
Freemasonry has no stance on whether shamanistic points of view are correct. Rather, Freemasonry's "light" concerns the light of reason; and reason is often muddled through the use of intoxicants (which is why their use is forbidden in many systems, for example, Buddhism).
another thing.. obviously every freemason looks at freemasonry different (right?)
Most Masons see Masonry the same way, in general; at least, they do if they've paid attention.
so could it not be set up for people to "take" at will??? whatever knowledge they deem necessary for 'enlightenment' if you know what I mean.. like a 'figure-it-out-yourself' buffet?
I suppose the problem could be addressed in a couple of different ways. First, the Mason, in his initiation, is charged with keeping the laws of his country, provided they are not immoral. In most countries, marijuana, for example, is illegal.
Secondly, enlightenment, at least in my view, is a spiritual awakening. And like the aforementioned Buddha, I don't see how true spiritual awakening can result from clouding one's mind with intoxicants.
(On a side note, I smoked a ton of that stuff when I was a kid, and didn't get anywhere near enlightenment through it. Rather, I passed my hippy days playing Uno and listening to Jefferson Airplane albums.)
Originally posted by bigred1000
get over it folks masonry really has no secrets, no alterior motives, and no special purpouse, other than to unite worthy men in brotherly love
Originally posted by extramileman
I would like to note for the record, I am not smoking pot right now
More to the point I notice that the Lodge over in England must be slightly different to the US, after the close of business here the brothers love a beer or ten.
Now what don't the masons want us knowing....
* Where we came from and our origins 'not of this earth'.
* Our purpose as to why we are here and that what we should be doing
* Where we are heading and the path humanity will be taking 'space race'