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reply posted on 6-7-2006 @ 03:28 AM by umwolves123


sorry buddy but theres no "princes" of masonry, no inner circle, no outer circle...in fact no circle at all.



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reply posted on 6-7-2006 @ 04:24 AM by andrew ky


Why be a Mason? Why join a secret society? What is actually being aimed at when one pledges oneself to this group?



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reply posted on 6-7-2006 @ 06:35 AM by EdenKaia



Originally posted by andrew ky
Why be a Mason? Why join a secret society? What is actually being aimed at when one pledges oneself to this group?

Well, brotherhood, a sense of belonging in a thankless society,...the list goes on and on. Why do people join the boyscouts, baseball team, politics, for that matter? People who become Freemasons inherit a responsibility to their environment to uphold good and decent values. To be charitable and hospitable to their neighbors. What makes these people so different from Mother Theresa's charitable organizations? Each year the masonic lodges from all over the world make contributions to various charities. The question I pose to you is, "why not join?" Contrary to the completely unsupported views you've been spewing about the Freemasons and their ties to Satanism, the society is a primarily Christian sect. In fact, in most places(it really depends on where) being a Christian is an absolute prerequisite to becoming a member. And as far as the "inner circle" concealing the true knowledge and secrets of the order from those that are not worthy, that is all very well and good...so long as you are talking about a society that actually has a hierarchy. Everyone is equal in the brotherhood, everyone. From the rich right down to the guy that repairs their shoes. Everything after Third Degree is purely honorary and ceremonial. It really doesn't give them any more or less power than any other Mason. I would suggest that you actually research the matter yourself before taking what you think you know off of the quotes from one man. Have a nice day.



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reply posted on 6-7-2006 @ 07:34 AM by Masonic Light



Originally posted by andrew ky
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I find the following quotes from Albert Pike to be pretty good reasons to begin questioning the true nature of freemasonry.
"LUCIFER, the Light-bearer! Strange and mysterious name to give to the Spirit of Darknesss! Lucifer, the Son of the Morning! Is it he who bears the Light, and with its splendors intolerable blinds feeble, sensual or selfish Souls? Doubt it not!" p.321
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Why is it that every time this is quoted here, Pike always gets cut off in mid-sentence?


"Masonry, like all the Religions, all the Mysteries, Hermeticism and Alchemy, conceals its secrets from all except the Adepts and Sages, or the Elect, and uses false explanations and misinterpretations of its symbols to mislead those who deserve only to be misled, to conceal the truth, which it calls Light, from them, and to draw them away from it. Truth is not for those who are unworthy or unable to receive it, or would pervert it."


Can anyone really deny the truth of this? Did not Christ himself warn the Apostles of casting their pearls before swine.

Anyone who deserves knowledge will sooner or later receive it. Anyone who does not deserve it wouldn't know what to do with it even if it was given to them on a silver platter. This isn't a rule of any fraternity, but an inherent law of nature.



"The Blue Degrees are but the outer court or portico of the Temple. Part of the symbols are displayed there to the Initiate, but he is intentionally misled by false interpretations. It is not intended that he shall understand them; but it is intended that he shall imagine he understands them. Their true explication is reserved for the Adepts, the Princes of Masonry ... It is well enough for the mass of those called Masons, to imagine that all is contained in the Blue Degrees; and whose attempts to undeceive them will labor in vain."


That's fine, but really is meaningless these days. The big secret, which is hidden from the Blue Degrees (according to Pike) is that Masons are the successors of the Knights Templar. Pike's comments here are generally ignored by modern Masonic scholars because it has since been shown that Pike's theories concerning it were incorrect.


I also consider the notion of protecting truth by swearing vicious oaths vis a vis the breaking of freemaonsy's secrecy code, to be contrary to any kind of truth I would wish to belong to.


So would I. Luckily, there aren't any "vicious oaths" in Freemasonry.


I also consider truth or real spirituality to be intimately connected with the merging of oneself with life/God/the Self etc in a spirit of humility.


Which is indeed the Great Work of the Adepts, and the Stone of the Philosophers.


....and all this Grand Master titled stuff to be exactly at odds with this true wisdom, in that we are dealing with something that is exalting the ego rather than warning against it.


What does being elected as a Masonic official have to do with "exalting the ego"?



Crowley's "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law" incidentally is the prefect summation of the satanic belief, or if one is repelled by such dramatic words as satanic, it is the exaltation of the ego.


Actually, Crowley's maxim has the opposite meaning to that which you've described. "Do what thou wilt" concerns the True Will, which often, if not practically always, conflicts with the ego. The occult theory has it that everyone exists for the purpose of accomplishing this Higher Will. According to Crowley and the other occultists, as long as we are following the True Will, we are fulfilling our purpose, and are in harmony with the Universe. When we work against the True Will, then we fall into chaos and error.

"Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law" requires one to discover the True Will, then abide by it. The first maxim is always answered by the second: "Love is the law, love under Will", which shows that love is the basis of the True Will, while revealing the formula of utilizing it.


And this may sound great and liberating to some, but remember that the logical follow ons from this idea are that, for example, there is nothing wrong with extermination camps. Or that the vilest thing you can imagine is not vile at all. That for example slitting a child's troath and forcing another child to drink the blood(forgive the ugliness of the example but the point should be made), before sexually abusing that child.. well that's all perfectly ok and even good as it exalts one's sense of self.



Obviously, that isn't what Crowley meant. He noted that as long as one is following the Will, he will not conflict with the Will of others, since the Will is derived from the One Source. Again, "Do what thou wilt" doesn't mean "do whatever you want". It concerns the metaphysical Will, the purpose of life itself.



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reply posted on 6-7-2006 @ 04:34 PM by dnero6911



Originally posted by Masonic Light

Originally posted by dnero6911
hrmm.. well I find that interesting to say the least... but my question is.. if freemasonry is about the light or knowledge how can they dismiss a very important part of society [drugs].. from a shamanistic point-of-view?
so can freemasons make the sound judgement that those types of spiritual awakening are wrong? and if so, what makes the freemasons way correct? (just asking)


Freemasonry has no stance on whether shamanistic points of view are correct. Rather, Freemasonry's "light" concerns the light of reason; and reason is often muddled through the use of intoxicants (which is why their use is forbidden in many systems, for example, Buddhism).


another thing.. obviously every freemason looks at freemasonry different (right?)


Most Masons see Masonry the same way, in general; at least, they do if they've paid attention.


so could it not be set up for people to "take" at will??? whatever knowledge they deem necessary for 'enlightenment' if you know what I mean.. like a 'figure-it-out-yourself' buffet?



I suppose the problem could be addressed in a couple of different ways. First, the Mason, in his initiation, is charged with keeping the laws of his country, provided they are not immoral. In most countries, marijuana, for example, is illegal.

Secondly, enlightenment, at least in my view, is a spiritual awakening. And like the aforementioned Buddha, I don't see how true spiritual awakening can result from clouding one's mind with intoxicants.

(On a side note, I smoked a ton of that stuff when I was a kid, and didn't get anywhere near enlightenment through it. Rather, I passed my hippy days playing Uno and listening to Jefferson Airplane albums.)


[Concerning and Concluding the drug dispute]
Alright... but *what if* someone still maintained unwavering reason under the influence of 'anything' [under moderation] I'm not saying under a gallon of booze... but what if a person could maintain or increase their 'light' under the influence without it being a 'hallucination' or exaggerated... You are lumping everyone into a catagory by saying all you can do is play uno and such.. (wasting time. being lazy
etc..)
Next.... about I don't see how true spiritual awakening can result from clouding one's mind with intoxicants. ... Well could it not ignite a larger fire? true spiritual drug use obviously doesn't mean doing it forever, it lights a fire in those who are truly dark, because not everyone is going to attempt meditation and releasing brain chemicals through yoga to experience and OBE, I'm not saying thats necessary for spiritual enlightenment.... another side note would be not everytime you use a spiritual plant are you going to have a spiritual 'journey' where it is more than just different perceptions, but a more self-realizing, spiritual experience.

[Concerning Masonry and its teachings] (Nothing to do with drugs, please don't take 'pot' shots in explaining anything here)
Now I was wondering then, because of the symbology in masonry.. is it specifically used to increase a persons awareness in their purpose/reason? or cultivating their 'potential' reason...

A seperate unrelated question:
What is the total Reason behind masonry, aside from the 'brotherhood' because once you're in the brotherhood there has to be something more than recruiting 'more' brothers... ? am I right?



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reply posted on 13-7-2006 @ 12:56 PM by bigred1000


get over it folks masonry really has no secrets, no alterior motives, and no special purpouse, other than to unite worthy men in brotherly love



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reply posted on 14-7-2006 @ 12:20 AM by dnero6911



Originally posted by bigred1000
get over it folks masonry really has no secrets, no alterior motives, and no special purpouse, other than to unite worthy men in brotherly love


or perhaps secrets it doesn't even know itself.. lol haha



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reply posted on 15-7-2006 @ 08:02 AM by Osbert


For the sake of simplicity, one might say that the Trinity has a beginning, a middle and an end although it can be expressed in one word..
Lucifer seems to be pretty singular.
Anyone kind enough to feed my ignorance ?

Osbert+

[edit on 15-7-2006 by Osbert]



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