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reply posted on 5-7-2006 @ 10:51 PM by Aim64C
Originally posted by Zaphod58
The SR-71 leaked for a reason before take off. There was nothing TO fix about it. On landing the airframe was so hot it had stretched 3 inches or so. There were no fuel bladders that could take the heat, so the airframe was the fuel tank. If they didn't make it so that it leaked, it wouldn't have any room to stretch from the friction.


That's where I'm saying that newer technology and developments in composites may hold the answer for this undesired trait. If it's a newer airframe - there's no telling what advancements could have been made - within reason (no cloaking pannels). I know the SR-71 leaked on takeoff because the airframe stretched. That's why I'm also saying that it might be possible to fix with a new technology or material.

Think outside the box, a little.

However, when looking at the picture close-up, the quality of the image is greatly reduced - it could be faked pretty easily with the given resolution.... so, I'll have to reserve judgement on that until a better quality picture is available....

The conditions of the retirement of the SR-71 were rather odd... the plane is suddenly retired with no known replacement, other than the U-2 ... which is not exactly an ideal replacement.... That's what also fueled reports of the Aurora and the credibility thereof.

But it's quite possible that the SR-71 was re-designed..... possibly 'bigger', faster, and meaner than ever before - and once again is cruising over hostile territory.

Hell, I don't know - Santa Clause wanted to play a practical joke so he hid his reindeer inside of a giant SR-71 model for all I know. I'm just rationalizing the continued use of a blackbird.


reply posted on 5-7-2006 @ 11:01 PM by warpboost
I've heard that cool fact before Zaphod58.


Here's some other neat ones


At maximum output the fuel flow rate in the J58 is about 8,000 gallons per hour and the exhaust-gas temperature is around 3,400 degrees. The J58 required the use of a special AG330 engine starter cart to spool the engines up to the proper rotational speed for starting. The cart was powered by two unmuffled Buick Wildcat V-8 racing car engines which delivered a combined 600 horsepower through a common gear box to the starter drive shaft of the aircraft engines. The J58s had to be spun up to about 3,200 RPM for starting.
Source


I cant believe they needed a twin V8 600hp start cart


From the same source as above about the heat encountered during mach 3+ flight! I've heard some stories about ground crew personnel lighting cigarettes off the skin of the SR71 when it landed after sustained high speed flight.




At the speeds the SR-71 operated, surface temperatures were extremely high due to aerodynamic heating: 800 degrees at the nose, 1,200 degrees on the engine cowlings, 620 degrees on the cockpit windshield. Because of the operating altitudes, speeds, and temperatures, Lockheed designers were forced to work at the cutting edge of existing aerospace technology, and well beyond in many cases. Many features and systems simply had to be invented as they were needed, since conventional technology was inadequate to the task. New oils, hydraulic fluids, sealants, and insulations were created to cope with the ultra-high temperatures the craft would encounter. A new type of aviation fuel, JP-7, was invented that would not "cook off" at high operating temperatures, having such a low volatility and high flash point that it required the use of triethylborane as a chemical ignitor in order for combustion to take place. The fuel itself was rendered inert by the infusion of nitrogen and then circulated around various components within the airframe as a coolant before being routed into the J58 engines for burning.
Source



Now this is pretty cool about how the specially formulated JP7 fuel is used as both a coolant, and hydraulic fluid before being burned as a fuel

It burns an extremely low vapor pressure fuel called JP-7, which was formulated specially for the SR-71. You can put a cigerette out in a dish of JP-7. The fuel is designed to be hard to light because the airframe skin in the vicinity of the fuel tank is 500 - 600 degrees F at cruise. Even worse, the fuel is actually used as the hydraulic fluid in the engine actuators! The idea is, a steady supply of "cool" fluid arrives from the fuel tanks and gets used in hydraulic devices around the engine. Hydraulic fluid in a closed system would soon get as hot as the parts through which it ran - - but this special fluid gets used as fuel before it gets too hot! Afterburner ignition is spectacular, when an ultra-hot flash of Tetra-Ethyl Borane ("TEB") is squirted into the flame holders.Source







[edit on 5-7-2006 by warpboost]


reply posted on 5-7-2006 @ 11:42 PM by Aim64C
Originally posted by cmdrkeenkid
Originally posted by Aim64C
The conditions of the retirement of the SR-71 were rather odd... the plane is suddenly retired with no known replacement, other than the U-2 ...


And the myriad of spy satellites that the USAF and other departments have up there flying about.


Spy satelites can be tracked by anybody with a radar and a brain to readjust the filters. Even low powered radars can track satelites to the extent of being able to tell when it comes overhead.

And once it comes overhead and you determine its pattern - you can simply hide any nasty little secrets under overpasses or camoflauged netting - or in a building.

A spy plane flies over and it's an "Oh #... they just caught us, didn't they.... and it's already beyond the range of our SAMs....... guess we're going to get a letter from the U.S. asking what the heck is up with this...."

The flight of a plane is unpredictable and comes without a whole lot of warning - another advantage of the SR-71 over the U-2 - it's rate of closure is much higher and gives the enemy less time to track the inbound aircraft and hide their toys.

A satelite may be able to monitor some things - such as abnormal traffic flows, or tank ruts in the mud that have no obvious source (which would be a clue it's time to send in the planes to get a good estimate of what's going on).

Planes work well in combination with satelites - but can never completely replace them. They're an invaluable asset to a coordination - just like the missile will never eliminate the need for an airplane - and the UAV never eliminate the need for piloted aircraft.

People feared that the role of planes would one day make ground soldiers obsolete.... nothing has come close to proving that so far. If you want to take a hill - you still have to place a few feet on it. The planes do a lot of the stuff that soldiers can't do - making their job easier - but it doesn't eliminate their role in the world. Just as missiles won't eliminate the roll of planes, and satelites won't eliminate the role of reconaisance aircraft.


reply posted on 6-7-2006 @ 10:03 AM by ajsr71


reply posted on 6-7-2006 @ 03:41 PM by jra
Originally posted by cmdrkeenkid
Originally posted by GSA
how in hells name am I supposed to know the answers to those ???


You took the picture, didn't you?


No she didn't. And GSA, the info is in the file. I'll copy it out.

EXIF Data:

Document Title: 060603-F-9032T-047

Author: Staff Sgt. Tony R. Tolley

Description: MQ-1 Predator unmanned aerial vehicles sit on the parking ramp at Balad Air Base, Iraq. The Predator is a medium-altitude, long endurance, remotely piloted aircraft. Its primary mission is interdiction and conducting armed reconnaissance against critical, perishable targets. (U.S. Air Force photo/Staff Sgt. Tony R. Tolley)

Description writer: Staff Sgt. Tony R. Tolley

Camera data 1

Make: NIKON CORPERATION

Model: NIKON D2X

Date Time: 2006-06-03T21:15:37-08:00

Shutter speed: ---

Exposure program: Aperture priority

F-Stop: f18.0

Max Aperture value: f2.8

ISO speed rating: 200

Focal length: 17.0mm

Origin

Date created: 6/3/2006

City: Balad AB

Credit: 332nd ECS

Source: Digital

Headline: Predator operations

Instructions: Released by 332nd AEW Public Affairs
DSN: 318-443-6009

Transmission Reference: CENTCOM


Now with that all said and done. I still think it's a fake. I did a little test in PS. I made a black dot about the size of the SR-71 and saved a copy. Opened it up again and all the EXIF data is still there. I think if the changes are small and subtle it won't remove that data.

Another reason I believe it's fake is that the SR-71 is fairly sharp in focus. Yet the trees infront of it look slightly blurred around the edges. Also I'd think the SR-71 wouldn't be so dark. It's should be faded a little bit due to the distance and atmospheric haze.

My 2c anyway.


reply posted on 6-7-2006 @ 03:51 PM by cmdrkeenkid
www.af.mil...

More in a moment... Thanks jra for the info you provided that lead to me finding this!!

EDIT:...

image here

The image is too wide, so I don't want to throw off the flow of the thread - hence the link.

It is a screenshot of that website, with the image in question on it.

In the green box is where this image can be found on the link I provided.
In the red box is the approximate area where this image was cropped down to and the SR-71 was inserted.

And for reference, here is the image that GSA provided in this post

Again... Thanks to jra for providing the information that lead to me finding this!!

ANOTHER EDIT:

And GSA got the "full sized" image that she/he/it/alien cropped, edited, etc from here. It's a 5.6 Mb JPG, so be forewarned if you're on dial up.

[edit on 7/6/2006 by cmdrkeenkid]


reply posted on 6-7-2006 @ 03:59 PM by Mirthful Me
Looking at your image here:

Originally posted by GSA
img523.imageshack.us...


There's seems to be something missing from the original AF pic here:

www.af.mil...

Why would that be?

Are you claiming that SR-71's are flying out of Balad Air base in broad daylight?
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