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Originally posted by smokenmirrors
when the enemy is marching west across the farmland of the delmarva peninsula, wake me up will ya?
also, all my prayers go out to the fool army that thinks it can subdue the likes of NYC, Baltimore, DC, and Philly, to name a few......heck, these places are far more dangerous than Iraq.....
www.nysun.com...
This is an edited extract from Failed States by Noam Chomsky (Hamish Hamilton), £16.99. To buy it for £15.50 (inc p&p), call Independent Books Direct on 0870 079 8897.
Originally posted by mr conspiracy
An inability to protect its citizens.
Originally posted by mr conspiracy
The belief that it is above the law.
Originally posted by mr conspiracy
A lack of democracy.
Originally posted by Apoc
Of course there is none as liberalism is, at it's foundation, anti-intellect, pro-hegemonic.
The biggest threat to the US is the leftwing elitist disinformationalists and their cadre of small brained robots.
Thank God they can't take our guns....yet.
Originally posted by Gools
Invasion is not possible without a draft.
Airstrikes to bomb them back to the stone age while leaving the oil facilities intact and working from within (already underway) to install another puppet? - let's call him Shaw II - definitely in the cards.
Whether or not those cards are played is up to whoever has the authority to give the orders...
wait!?...
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Originally posted by sminkeypinkey
This is, IMO, a tragic perversion of what the US is supposed to be about.
Actually it might even once have been considered treasonous, such is the distance between the USA's founding ideals and where she is now
Originally posted by sminkeypinkey
Afterall if the USA isn't supposed to be, first and foremost, all about freedom (to speak and hold various, sometimes unique views, amongst many other freedoms) then what is it
Originally posted bby sminkeypinkey
The entire 'state' of the USA was founded on the desire of those who wished to escape being told what was required or acceptable to do and think, wasn't it?
Originally posted by sminkeypinkey
......and in this respect at least Chomsky is 100% correct, it is quite obvious that those inspiring and high ideals have indeed been defeated
Originally posted by sminkeypinkey
We can see it from many American posters here day in day out, it's pretty obvious that there is an element within the USA that would be far more comfortable with a single (approved) message, 'wholesomely and patriotically right-wing American'!, totalitarian state (just so long as it did match their own narrow prejudices, obviously)
Originally posted by sminkeypinkey
Wrapping ones' self in 'the flag', invoking 'God' every other word and droning on with empty clichés about 'our boys' is no free pass to do *whatever*.....or at least it ought not to be
Originally posted by sminkeypinkey
Criticism of the policies of the various governments of the USA is not 'Un-American'.
It is, in fact, wholly 'American' to question and debate the conduct of authority, especially the state's authority, isn't it
Originally posted by sminkeypinkey
Criticism of the policies of the government of Israel is not anti-Semitic, it is simply to exercise your free speech and air ones' views, quite normal and nothing to do with anti-Semitism (Chomsky, from a Jewish family himself, an anti-Semite? Please
Originally posted by sminkeypinkey
Chomsky might not be 100% correct in every instance (and he has never claimed to be either) but he does raise well researched and articulated views on events and considers how we got to where we are now and how we might help make things better in making better choices in regard to where we go from now
Originally posted by sminkeypinkey
You might not like hearing what he has to say but to attempt to simply try to write his views off as either some ridiculous vain-glorious attempt at self-flattery or out of time hippy-dom or as some ludicrously dangerous notion of 'un-American-ism' is ignorance of the highest order IMO
Originally posted by clearwater
Chomsky is not in politics, he's a scholar. A linguist, to be exact. Brilliant ground-breaking work in that field as well.
Originally posted by clearwater
The military/industrial machine will march all over your freedom of expression when the time comes. Trans-national corporations have no patriotism. The founding fathers had nightmares about a government run by them.
Originally posted by clearwater
That's why America is defeated. They've stage a global economic coup and soon they will no longer need you. You've been inducted into their system of public subsidy of private profits.
Originally posted by clearwater
"Capitalism by banker is more dangerous to our young country than any standing army." - John Adams
Originally posted by clearwater
"The rich will always strive to establish their dominion and enslave the rest. They always did. They always will. They will have the same effect here as elsewhere, if we do not, by government, keep them in their proper spheres." - Governor Morris
Originally posted by danwild6
His views are IMO rather extreme and unfounded at least and possibly meant to cause as much in regards to the article posted at the beginning of this thread.
But the freedoms extend to all not just to those who trash the forementioned nation.
why can't I say what I think about Chomsky without being called a neo-con or a typical ignorant right-wing american.
Chomsky has said what he wanted and is still a free man. Yes he has been criticized. Quite rightfully IMO because many people here evidently believe him to be wrong.
You've in your post condemned posters here for labeling Chomsky a lefty, liberal commie. But then you turn right around and label them as right-wing, totalitarian and narrow minded.
Absolutely but turning around and putting yoursellf at the oppositte end of that spectrum really won't convince anybody of your position.
Once again you're correct dissent in any form isn't unamerican
But supporting your government isn't unamerican either.
People have always been free to speak their minds the only thing that stops them is themselves.
You are once again correct my friend. Race, religion, ethnicity get thrown around way to often in our society. And just about everyone is guilty of it.
Yes but he also has an agenda like everyone else in politics. He said somethings that would rally his base and antagonise his opponents.
The same applies to the other side of the isle. A person who backs Bush must be given the same benefits. That is not to be dismissed as a warmonger or fascist or what have you.
Originally posted by sminkeypinkey
"Extreme"!? Well the facts and history he relays are certainly not what the 'mainstream' will tell you that's for sure, but I certainly wouldn't call Chomsky an 'extremist'
Originally posted by sminkeypinkey
I would never claim otherwise.....and I certainly don't call criticising any particular government policy "trashing" a nation.
I am merely pointing out that rather than tolerate Chomsky's views and debate them some posters would prefer to try and howl him down as "un-American"
Originally posted by smineypinkey
You can, I never said otherwise
Originally posted by sminkeypinkey
I'd rather see people say what they find wrong as opposed to hiding behind a term like "un-American
Originally posted by sminkeypinkey
I don't see why identifying bigotry makes one a bigot (which seems to be your argument here). It's quite clear there are people here condemning Chomsky for everything but what he has actually said and I criticised that, not the fact that some people prefer a different brand of politics to me
Originally posted by sminkeypinkey
No it is not, I have never said as much either.
I would go as far as saying a totally uncritical support probably is though
Originally posted by sminkeypinkey
Maybe this is where we differ the most.
I think (as an outsider) that I am seeing a level of a strange combination of right-wing and religious chauvinism I have not seen before at a level I have not seen before in America
Originally posted by sminkeypinkey
I am not blind to the fact that he has his 'schtick' but I'd say he is far from empty rhetoric. He is, unlike many many people, incredibly well researched. You might refute his conclusions but I don't think he has ever been successfully accused of lying about his work