So what if jesus was married with a wife and kids

I have always though about this concept, personality id trust the guys advice on certain topics ALL LOT MORE is he where married. Really are you going to ask a 30 year old virgin why your wife is not faithfull or why your marriage is breaking down ?. I know there is heaps of hype on the subject because of the di vinci code but it just makes more sense.

Your thoughs ?

Questions like that could start a FIRESTORM in the here in the USA. But... I'm not aware that the Bible ever addresses the matital status of Jesus. Most of us believe He was single because we were told that he was. However, He is called "Rabbi", and somebody told me once that a Rabbi has to be married. I admit that I am not sure if that is correct or not or if that was the way it was 2000 years ago.
Personally, it really does not matter to me. I still see him as fully Divine and Fully Human.

Well of course he had a child. He had a daughter named Sarah with Mary Magdeline, whom Yeshua thought was his complete equal.

Also from Yeshua's Buddhist/Hindu like teachings, we can certainly say he was either part Indian or had studied Indian philosophy. Plus it also ties in better how John's baptism helped awaken Yeshua's enlightment.

But there is also a strong evidence supporting Yeshua of being of Indian decent, because of his daughter's skin complexion, the missing years of Yeshua's life between when his father's death (and his mother going back to India) and when Yeshua's starts his philosophical gathering.

Alot of people don't really get Yeshua and what he was actually doing. They also don't get that John the Baptist was the one that had actually lead a religious movement of which was actually placed as the center of Christianity through Yeshua, which Yeshua did not do. Yeshua did not officially lead a religious movement. Rather Yeshua did something much more like Socrates, he held a gathering of intellectual minds which converse on politics and about life. That is what Yeshua had done and he considered each participanting member to be his equal and not his subject.

Now he did talk about a Kingdom of Heaven, but that "Kingdom" he was talking about was actually something else. His refering to the Kingdom of Heaven being inside of everyone, was actually his reference to the Enlightment that was reciding in everyone. But of course his use of language couldn't very well say Enlightment in difference to saying "Kingdom of Heaven." But he could have tried to tie in Enlightment with the angels, which were extraterrestrials and believe to be gods in certain parts of the world.

By the way John the Baptist might have had African roots, but Yeshua had Indian instead and that Dravidian Indian is what confused Southern French with Egyptian.

He didn't.

He came down from heaven to do a job. A wife and children
weren't part of that. His only mission was to save humanity.
Having children wouldn't have contributed to that mission
therefore He didn't have any.

It's a waste of time to consider 'what ifs' when people don't
even put the time to consider His words. Time is better
spent on contemplation of His commands then on 'lets pretend
he had kids'. IMHO


[edit on 5/16/2006 by FlyersFan]

Jesus was here in human form, therefore, it does not bother me if he and Mary Magdalene were an item with a daughter.

He was human.

Originally posted by FlyersFan
He didn't.

He came down from heaven to do a job.
[edit on 5/16/2006 by FlyersFan]

There is no god in the sky. Maybe you are refering to the old classic, let's worship the sun cults in Ancient Egypt.

Originally posted by FlyersFan
A wife and children weren't part of that. His only mission was to save humanity.
[edit on 5/16/2006 by FlyersFan]

If that was the case, then he has failed. Which is quite obvious from you as being the evidence to support such.

Yeah he wanted to save humanity, but not in the way you think he did. You have to remember that Catholics and the Orthodox church has change the original identity of Yeshua.

Jesus is a greek name, Yeshua is the name that the one you called Jesus actually had. Yeshua is the name Mary and Joseph named him. Yeshua is the name Mary Magdeline scream out while she was have an orgy after the wedding ceremony Yeshua had with her. Yeshua is the name Levi and other followers of Yeshua called Yeshua by. And Yeshua is hebrewic for Salvation, so it makes much sense why his name is Yeshua and not Jesus.

Originally posted by FlyersFan
Having children wouldn't have contributed to that mission
therefore He didn't have any.
[edit on 5/16/2006 by FlyersFan]

I don't know I think having an heir, especially if your faith was to be taken world wide was very well damn important.

Originally posted by FlyersFan
It's a waste of time to consider 'what ifs' when people don't
even put the time to consider His words.
[edit on 5/16/2006 by FlyersFan]

Well Thomas was the only one that actually had a audiotomic memory. The others just went by how they could recall it.

Originally posted by FlyersFan
Time is better spent on contemplation of His commands then on 'lets pretend
he had kids'. IMHO
[edit on 5/16/2006 by FlyersFan]

Don't you mean the commands of the Orthodox and Catholic churches and not the commands of Gnostic Yeshua himself.

Here is a good idea, read the Gnostic scripture of Mary, Thomas, and Judas and then tell me what you think about the Orthodox version.

Did you know the four gospels were arranged from a Bishop that was talking about the four directions on a compass. Yeah he did. And there's more... he also based it on the four winds. He believed each of the gospels represented a corner of the Earth and Yeshua (rather Jesus since this was done in Greek) represented the Center.

But the truth is there was other deciples of Yeshua, Thomas, Mary Magdeline, and Judas were three of such.

Originally posted by Darkseid
There is no god in the sky.

It's just a phrase. Lighten up.

If that was the case, then he has failed. Which is
quite obvious from you as being the evidence to support such.

Christ failed to save humanity?? I am evidence that He failed?
My goodness you are an interesting lil' fella

First off, Christ didn't fail. He redeemed everyone. It is up to
each individual to accept or reject redemption in order to be saved.
Second .. judge not lest ye be judged.
Like I said ... our time is best spent on contemplation of His words.
Something you obviously haven't done. Instead of chasing after
bizarre theories that were thrown out as crap 2,000 years ago by
people who knew more than you ... you really ought to spend time
reading what Christ said. If you did, then you'd know better than
to judge me as having not been saved and you'd know better than
to judge Christ as a failure.

Yeshua is the name Mary and Joseph named him.

So what? Jesus....Yeshua.... It's like a person in America calling
a child Carl and in Mexico they'd refer to the child as Carlos. It's
just a matter of culture. It's irrelevant.

Yeshua is the name Mary Magdeline scream out while
she was have an orgy after the wedding ceremony Yeshua
had with her.

Now you are being comical.
Orgy? Do you even know what an orgy is??
- a drunken licentious festival.
- party characterized by public promiscuous sexual intercourse
- esoteric religius rituals in ancient Greece used especially in
the worship of Demeter and Dionysus full of promiscuous sexual
intercourse and drunkedness.

Drunken sex parties were NOT on Christ's to-do list when he came
to Earth from Heaven in order to save humanity. He was on a mission.
Drunken sex parties would interfere and would NOT be the Will of God.
Therefore, He wouldn't do such a thing. All through scripture you find
him in prayer. 'Pray continuously' ... 'be perfect as God your Father is
perfect' ... He would be breaking these - His own commands - if He
were to grovel in the mud in wild sex parties. You'd know this if you
had spent time actually reading scripture instead of wasting time
entertaining the silly notions that you do.

I think having an heir, especially if your faith was to be
taken world wide was very well damn important.

You are thinking organically. Try thinking etherially. Besides, Christ
DID have an heir on earth. He had 11. Peter, James, John, Matthew,
etc. etc. etc.

read the Gnostic scripture of Mary, Thomas, and Judas
and then tell me what you think about the Orthodox version.

Already did. I wasn't impressed. They were too worldly and base.
Severely lacking in wisdom, insight, and understanding of Christ's mission.
In other words .. fiction.

other deciples of Yeshua, Thomas, Mary Magdeline, and Judas

Thomas. Sure. He certainly was. He even died for Christ.
Mary Magdeline. Sure. She was a disciple. Not an apostle, but a disciple.
Judas. Sure. He certainly was. And he screwed up - as was prophecied.



[edit on 5/16/2006 by FlyersFan]

I agree.

Let the man have a little bit of sex.

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by Darkseid
There is no god in the sky.

It's just a phrase. Lighten up.
[edit on 5/16/2006 by FlyersFan]

I was making a joke, [Mod Edit: Insulting content removed]

Originally posted by FlyersFan
First off, Christ didn't fail. He redeemed everyone. It is up to
each individual to accept or reject redemption in order to be saved.
Second .. judge not lest ye be judged.
Like I said ... our time is best spent on contemplation of His words.
Something you obviously haven't done. Instead of chasing after
bizarre theories that were thrown out as crap 2,000 years ago by
people who knew more than you ... you really ought to spend time
reading what Christ said. If you did, then you'd know better than
to judge me as having not been saved and you'd know better than
to judge Christ as a failure.
[edit on 5/16/2006 by FlyersFan]

Dude you are proof that he had failed, so just live with it. [Mod Edit: Insulting content removed]

So what? Jesus....Yeshua.... It's like a person in America calling
a child Carl and in Mexico they'd refer to the child as Carlos. It's
just a matter of culture. It's irrelevant.

It wasn't the name he was called by. Relevant.

Now you are being comical.

Orgy? Do you even know what an orgy is??
- a drunken licentious festival.
- party characterized by public promiscuous sexual intercourse
- esoteric religius rituals in ancient Greece used especially in
the worship of Demeter and Dionysus full of promiscuous sexual
intercourse and drunkedness.

Drunken sex parties were NOT on Christ's to-do list when he came
to Earth from Heaven in order to save humanity. He was on a mission.
Drunken sex parties would interfere and would NOT be the Will of God.
Therefore, He wouldn't do such a thing. All through scripture you find
him in prayer. 'Pray continuously' ... 'be perfect as God your Father is
perfect' ... He would be breaking these - His own commands - if He
were to grovel in the mud in wild sex parties. You'd know this if you
had spent time actually reading scripture instead of wasting time
entertaining the silly notions that you do.

Dude I was being comical well before then, [Mod Edit: Insulting content removed]

You are thinking organically. Try thinking etherially. Besides, Christ
DID have an heir on earth. He had 11. Peter, James, John, Matthew,
etc. etc. etc.

According to Mary Magdeline, they all had their own goals. And they were unsuited for the task.

Originally posted by FlyersFan

read the Gnostic scripture of Mary, Thomas, and Judas
and then tell me what you think about the Orthodox version.

Already did. I wasn't impressed. They were too worldly and base.
Severely lacking in wisdom, insight, and understanding of Christ's mission.
In other words .. fiction.
[edit on 5/16/2006 by FlyersFan]

You didn't read them you faker. I mean it's rather obvious too, by the way you simply went up and said that. It clearly shows your lack of interest for anything that contradicts your ego.

You sir suffer from the sin of pride.

Originally posted by FlyersFan

other deciples of Yeshua, Thomas, Mary Magdeline, and Judas

Thomas. Sure. He certainly was. He even died for Christ.
Mary Magdeline. Sure. She was a disciple. Not an apostle, but a disciple.
Judas. Sure. He certainly was. And he screwed up - as was prophecied.
[edit on 5/16/2006 by FlyersFan]

Why do you always have to dictate things. You aren't god, so stop acting like one.

Criticism is an immortal thing, consideration is the mortal.

How about you get off your godly high horse and start acting like a mortal for once. And don't say you are or something else that is rather redundant, because I know you are going to say whatever it is to protect your precious ego.

[edit on 16-5-2006 by Darkseid]

[Mod Edit: Personal insults removed. Darkseid you are new here, perhpas you might take a minute to aquaint yourself with the Terms and Conditions and check your U2U's - Jak]

[edit on 16/5/06 by JAK]

Originally posted by Darkseid
I was making a joke, you imbecile.

Dude you are proof that he had failed, so just live with it.
You are a disappointment.

Dude I was being comical well before then,
I'm sorry that your brain works so slow.

You didn't read them you faker.

your lack of interest for anything that contradicts your ego.

You sir suffer from the sin of pride.

How about you get off your godly high horse and start acting like a mortal for once. And don't say you are or something else that is rather redundant, because I know you are going to say whatever it is to protect your precious eg

- Sooooooooooooooooomebody is looking for a warning.
- Not a good way to get started here.
- start acting like a mortal for once? You have been here 1 day.
or are you someone who has been banned before and you just
slipped up by saying that??
- BTW .. yes I have read those fake gospels. You asked
what I thought of them. I answered. Trash.
- another BTW .. I'm not a dude. I'm a woman.

Jesus is espoused (engaged) to the true believers (the church). As an engaged bridegroom, he could not have been married. His pupose on earth was a spiritual one. He had to come as a human (corrupted seed of Eve) for the sacrifice to be meaningful.


Isaiah 61
10 I will greatly rejoice in the LORD, my soul shall be joyful in my God; for he hath clothed me with the garments of salvation, he hath covered me with the robe of righteousness, as a bridegroom decketh himself with ornaments, and as a bride adorneth herself with her jewels.

Matthew 9
14 Then came to him the disciples of John, saying, Why do we and the Pharisees fast oft, but thy disciples fast not?
15 And Jesus said unto them, Can the children of the bridechamber mourn, as long as the bridegroom is with them? but the days will come, when the bridegroom shall be taken from them, and then shall they fast.
2 Corinthians 11
2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.

For more information.

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by Darkseid
I was making a joke, you imbecile.

Dude you are proof that he had failed, so just live with it.
You are a disappointment.

Dude I was being comical well before then,
I'm sorry that your brain works so slow.

You didn't read them you faker.

your lack of interest for anything that contradicts your ego.

You sir suffer from the sin of pride.

How about you get off your godly high horse and start acting like a mortal for once. And don't say you are or something else that is rather redundant, because I know you are going to say whatever it is to protect your precious eg

- Sooooooooooooooooomebody is looking for a warning.

Ha... do you really think I'll ever take you seriously? I have more important things on my agenda.

Originally posted by FlyersFan
- Not a good way to get started here.

And your advice actually matters because?

Originally posted by FlyersFan
- start acting like a mortal for once? You have been here 1 day.

And you are whining.

Originally posted by FlyersFan
or are you someone who has been banned before and you just
slipped up by saying that??

Well I was right, you do like protecting your little ego.

Did you catch the part in your dialogue that just goes about protecting your ego?

And no I'm new here. You are just to slow to have noticed.

Originally posted by FlyersFan
- BTW .. yes I have read those fake gospels. You asked

Saying you have doesn't mean you have. You clearly show that you haven't by saying they were fake?

The suppose original four have no proof providing that they are authentic, except from the word of mouth from people like you. So what makes Thomas fake, because it has Buddhist ideology in it? Same with Judas and Mary Magdeline? Or maybe Thomas, Judas, and Mary Magdeline both kept close to Yeshua's teachings. While the others kept with their own Hebrew ideology.

Originally posted by FlyersFan
what I thought of them. I answered. Trash.

Yes you answered with trash. It's so good that we are finally making a connection.

Originally posted by FlyersFan
- another BTW .. I'm not a dude. I'm a woman.

[Mod Edit: Insulting content removed.. again. Check your U2U's now - Jak]

(Feminist removes content since it was directed against a woman and not a man)

[edit on 16-5-2006 by Darkseid]

You know what??? That's enough of your insults. Stop it right now, Darkseid.

Just what is your agenda???

To speak to intelligent people on an open and pacificistic manner.

It's not my problem that some people get a little too insensitive.

And by the way Jak the feminazi. I don't read u2u's because they have potential viruses on them.

[Mod Edit: Please check your U2U's. - Jak]

[edit on 16/5/06 by JAK]

Originally posted by Darkseid
do you really think I'll ever take you seriously?

So .. you don't take people seriously unless they agree with you?
I guess you are here for what then???

I have more important things on my agenda.

ohhhh .. THAT is what you are here for. You have an agenda.
What exactly is your agenda? hmmmmm??

And your advice actually matters because?

Because you have been here one day and I've been here
2 years. And because I'm right on this and you definately
are not. Go re-read the rules. It is obvious that you forgot
to do so when you signed up here.

I'm new here. You are just to slow to have noticed.

More insults. tsk tsk tsk. And no, I was perfectly aware
of you being here only one day. That's why I pointed out your
problem ... namecalling and insults. Which other posters have
also pointed out to you on the other thread in this forum that
you are now tossing dirt at (jesus wasn't black).

Saying you have doesn't mean you have.
You clearly show that you haven't by saying they were fake?

Uh .. no. Saying I have read them means exactly that. I have
read them. Saying that I have determined them to be fake
means just that .. IMHO they are fake. FICTION... I came to
this conclusion for the reasons I have already stated.

Originally posted by Darkseid
And by the way Jak the feminazi. I don't read u2u's because
they have potential viruses on them.

Oh boy. I predict implosion and banning ... should we have
a countdown?? Naaaaaaaaaah ... I don't think he's going to
last long enough to even post a watch clock.

First i find it sad people cant discuss this without all the insults or im right your wrong pissing contest's.

Thats becoming a real problem here latelly...

Enough that im not gonna give my feelings on this subject cause i dont feel like insulting anyone....because i dont put alot of stock in the bible...The fact it was decided by Constantine and his lackys what to put in the bible sends up red flags to me...A non-christan published there most holy book.....now im sure some of those are "sacred" text but there are 100's if not 1000's that were supposed to be destroyed becase they decided on what was holy and what was not.

I believe there is alot of info yet to be found or it never will but untill someone has read all they can find can they make there own decision.

PLAY NICE KIDS....

peace be with you

Originally posted by Darkseid
And by the way Jak the feminazi. I don't read u2u's because they have potential viruses on them.

[Mod Edit: Please check your U2U's. - Jak]

[edit on 16/5/06 by JAK]

Calling the mods names is not a good start on this site. U2Us are generated on this site. If they have potential viruses, then the whole site does.

I was going to reply to some in here 'but he who deludes himself is the true fool' (I'm sure I did not originate that idea but I can't recall who said it better) so I will not attempt to respond other than to say that
Prove-it makes a very good point so this little response by someone more eloquent than me:

“The believing mind is externally impervious to evidence. The most
that can be accomplished with it is to induce it to substitute one
delusion for another. It rejects all overt evidence as wicked...”

sayswho (skep by any other name)

Wouldn't bother me either. Fully Human, fully Devine, like Rawiea said. Seems like Jesus's message of loving oneself and others is once again taking a backshelf to a mundane argument.