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posted on Jan, 10 2007 @ 08:08 PM
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yes,
the legends have it that Peter, the acclaimed 1st vicar, was
crucified upside down

i give you my guess how that once glorious 'upside down cross' got a tarnished, even evil connotation attached to it.

recall that a Father Malachi way back when, gave a forecast/prophecy
of the future 100 Popes, and a little tagline of what their reign or accomplishments would be noted for.

when it comes to the very last Pope (Pope Benedict XVI is our next to last!)
He, (the last pope) will be be known as "Peter of Rome" & is closely associated as both the End-Time anti-christ
& the End-Time False Prophet that cohorts with the A.C...................

the final predicted 'Peter of Rome' Pope becomes the 'vehicle' of the end times 'Scarlet Beast' that aids the A.C. & false prophet,

and the 'upsidedown cross' symbol of the first 'Saint Peter',
gets twisted 180 degrees in symbolic meaning,

and comes to symbolize the decending into perdition of the last 'Pope Peter the Roman'....& the A.C.




posted on Jan, 10 2007 @ 08:53 PM
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The upside down cross is associated with satanism because satanism was associated with an inversion of everything christian. A black mass, with stinking urine instead of holy water, eating human flesh instead of the eucharist, turning the cross upside down, etc etc.

I think that this was able to happen because, for hte most part, people just don't think of the upside down cross as being associated with peter.

Heck, the story is mythical-legendary anyway and not even all that old.



posted on Jan, 13 2007 @ 11:53 PM
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Originally posted by Nygdan

The cross symbol for Shamash from Babylon that you are thinking of is...the cross.
altreligion.about.com...

The pope does wear the cross of Shamash. He also wears the cross of Baal.

If you take it a step further they are the same. Shamash is Baal the sun god. It's all just different versions of the lie that has deceived the world. Gilgamesh is Nimrod........Osiris is Nimrod. Nimrod marries his mother Semiramis. Shamash marries his sister Ishtar. Osiris marries his sister Isis. Semiramis is Ishtar and Isis.




SHAMASH The sun. For the Sumerians he was principally the judge and law-giver with some fertility attributes. For the Semites he was also a victorious warrior, the god of wisdom, the son of Sin, and 'greater than his father'. He was the husband and brother of Ishtar. Shamash is represented with the saw with which he cuts decisions. In the Mesopotamian poems 'Shamash' may mean the god, or simply the sun.
www.thetribulationforce.com...






Some Biblical Historians think Nimrod could well be the vile and powerful Gilgamesh in the ancient Gilgamesh Epic. Gilgamesh sets out to hunt for, and kill the God who sent the flood! In the Epic Gilgamesh claims to have killed "Huwawa", the sender of the great flood. Gilgamesh seeks the aid of Shamash, the sun god, who hates the terrible one who sent the flood.
dedication.www3.50megs.com...










[edit on 14-1-2007 by Nygdan]



posted on Jan, 14 2007 @ 12:02 AM
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Originally posted by Nygdan
Even IF the devil invented the swatstika, and no one, anywhere, originally, could've came up with it on their own, and it only exists everywhere because of the devil's work, what does it matter? The people using it aren't worshiping the devil. If they are worshipping christ, then what does it matter if there is a swatstika?
Are you saying that the swastika and devil are more powerful than christ, and that a christian who accepts christ as personal saviour is thrown into the lake of fire, beause there was a swastika associated with them??????


Catholics are not taught about a personal relationship with Christ. They are taught a religion of salvation through works.

Mystery Babylon..........They are taught a mystery. Listen to a Mass. Behold the mystery of changing bread and wine into the body and blood of Christ.



posted on Jan, 14 2007 @ 12:54 AM
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Gilgamesh sets out to hunt for, and kill the God who sent the flood! In the Epic Gilgamesh claims to have killed "Huwawa", the sender of the great flood.

Huwawa/Humbaba is not a god, and has nothing to do with the flood. He is a monster that lives in a cedar forest that Gilgamesh and Enkidu go out to kill.

Gilgamesh doesn't, in the versions I am familiar with try to 'kill the god the sent the flood', the suggestion is ridiculous. He only learns about the flood story because he is lamenting the death of his good friend Enkidu, and is concerned about his own mortality. He ends up looking for a plant that will make him immortal (echoes of the garden of eden, but i know that you think that the echoes were intentional deception on the part of satan to deceive people into beleiveing that hte bible is just another false version of these other myths). He fails to find it, and has to deal with his own mortality.


Nimrod marries his mother Semiramis. Shamash marries his sister Ishtar. Osiris marries his sister Isis. Semiramis is Ishtar and Isis.

What if, instead of it being a lie cleverly planned by the devil, its just a matter of a group of people living in the same general area having similar myths, just like they might have similar cooking styles, or similar technology?

I mean, even without saying that the christian bible is 'just another variation of that shared myth, and thus just a myth and not real', what if that were the case for the other religions of the area? Not inspired by satan, let alone actual retellings of the physical acts of an actual physical man named Nimrod?


Catholics are not taught about a personal relationship with Christ.

Catholics are taught that they need to beleive in jesus christ as the son of god and saviour in order to be saved.

They are taught a religion of salvation through works.

It naturally follows that, if christ saves, and christ did good works, you should do good works. And its not a terrible arguement that, if you have claimed to accept christ, but are still a fundamentally evil person, then that you haven't been redeemed by christ, and that you don't have any grace from him through which you will do good works.

It makes at least as much sense as saying 'profess faith in jesus, get saved, no matter what you do afterwards' (which, as an aside, is oddly similar to the muslim idea that once you profess the shahada, the statement of faith, that you are now and forever a muslim, and that specific recitation of the shahada is required to be a muslim).

It doesn't make much sense to say that a person who beleives in christ, and prays to the saints, knowing full well that they're not gods, and that they are only saints because of christ, and demands of themselves to do good works and considers it a failure to not do it, is somehow not a christian, and that they are, of all things, realyl devilworshippers.

You can't worship something unknowingly. You can't be a devilworshipper if you worship christ.


They are taught a mystery. Listen to a Mass. Behold the mystery of changing bread and wine into the body and blood of Christ.

That is not the mystery. The mystery is that christ has died, that he has risen, and that he will return. The mystery is the central tennant of hte faith, the death, resurrection, and second comming of christ and salvation through him.

Mystery Babylon is almost certainly a coded reference, exoterically refering to the religion of babylon, which had destroyed the jews and held them as slaves, and esoterically a reference to the roman state and its religion, which was destroying the christians and making them slaves, NOT the vatican, which didn't exist, and certainly it wasn't meant to include peopel who worship Christ.



posted on Jan, 14 2007 @ 01:03 AM
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Originally posted by Sun Matrix

Originally posted by Nygdan
Even IF the devil invented the swatstika, and no one, anywhere, originally, could've came up with it on their own, and it only exists everywhere because of the devil's work, what does it matter? The people using it aren't worshiping the devil. If they are worshipping christ, then what does it matter if there is a swatstika?
Are you saying that the swastika and devil are more powerful than christ, and that a christian who accepts christ as personal saviour is thrown into the lake of fire, beause there was a swastika associated with them??????


Catholics are not taught about a personal relationship with Christ. They are taught a religion of salvation through works.

Mystery Babylon..........They are taught a mystery. Listen to a Mass. Behold the mystery of changing bread and wine into the body and blood of Christ.




You are right. Catholics are not taught about a personal relationship with Christ and God. They are are taught of salvation through works.

However, they are also taught, by the teachings of Jesus Christ and the Church Catechism, that:

You cannot be saved by faith alone. Faith without Works is meaningless, and Works without Faith is fruitless.



posted on Jan, 14 2007 @ 10:43 AM
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Originally posted by Nygdan
That is not the mystery. The mystery is that christ has died, that he has risen, and that he will return. The mystery is the central tennant of hte faith, the death, resurrection, and second comming of christ and salvation through him.



The Eucharist is proclaimed a mystery in the Mass. It is one of many mysteries, but certainly takes center stage. The Catholic Chruch is Mystery Babylon that dresses in purple and scarlet.


In Christian belief and practice, a sacrament is a rite that mediates divine grace, constituting a sacred mystery. The root meaning of the Latin word sacramentum is to "make sacred". Views concerning both what rites are sacramental, and what it means for an act to be sacramental vary among Christian denominations and traditions.



The seven sacraments are also accepted by Eastern Orthodoxy and Oriental Orthodoxy, but these traditions do not limit the number of sacraments to seven, holding that anything the Church does as Church is in some sense sacramental. To be more accurate, for the Eastern Orthodox and Oriental Orthodox Christian the term “Sacrament” is a Westernism that seeks to classify something that may be impossible to classify. Preferably the term “Sacred Mystery” is used, the reason being that the “How it is possible” is unanswerable to human understanding. God touches us through material means such as water, wine, bread, oil, incense, candles, altars, icons, etc. How God does this is a mystery. On a broad level, the Mysteries are an affirmation of the goodness of created matter, and are an emphatic declaration of what that matter was originally created to be.

Despite this broad view, Orthodox divines do write about there being seven "principal" mysteries. On a specific level, while not systematically limiting the mysteries to seven, the most profound Mystery is the Eucharist, in which the partakers, by participation in the liturgy and receiving the consecrated bread and wine, understood to have become the body and blood of Christ itself, directly communicate with God. In this sense, there is no substantial difference from the practice of other churches of the Catholic patrimony
en.wikipedia.org...




BY NYGDAN
Mystery Babylon is almost certainly a coded reference, exoterically refering to the religion of babylon, which had destroyed the jews and held them as slaves, and esoterically a reference to the roman state and its religion, which was destroying the christians and making them slaves, NOT the vatican, which didn't exist, and certainly it wasn't meant to include peopel who worship Christ.


Vatican hill was the site of the Circus of Caligula which became Neros Circus or the Vatican Circus. Many Christians were put to death there. That's why it talks of the martyrs in Revelations being put to death by Mystery Babylon. The Church of Rome was nothing more than the Roman empire operating in the guise of Christianity.




The Circus of Nero lay in the same axis as St Peter's to the left as you look at the western front from the Piazza. The site for crucifixions in the Circus lay along the spina ("spine"), the central division of the track round which the races occurred. Early Acts of Peter describe the spot as inter duas metas ("between the two metae or turning-post"), that is, in the spina or middle line of Nero's circus, at an equal distance from the two end goals. Such a traumatic event for the Christian community is likely to have been correctly recalled. At the center of the spina stood the obelisk which was re-erected in St Peter's Square in the 16th century by the architect Domenico Fontana, a feat of engineering memorialized in a series of fine engravings.



posted on Jan, 14 2007 @ 09:42 PM
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Originally posted by Sun Matrix
The Eucharist is proclaimed a mystery in the Mass.

Fair enough. I thought you were saying that it is THE mystery of faith.

The Catholic Chruch is Mystery Babylon that dresses in purple and scarlet

Just because the church liturgy refers to the mysteries of the christian faith does not mean that it is Mystery Babylon. All religion is a mystery. That god is a trinity is a mystery. That christ can die and it be for man's redemption is a mystery. These aren't 'obvious' or 'objective' things.

The Church of Rome was nothing more than the Roman empire operating in the guise of Christianity.

Because its offices are in the city of Rome?
That is not a sensible conclusions. It makes no sense to say that peopel that accept jesus christ as saviour, which catholics do, and who worship christ, which catholics do, are infact not christers. They clearly are. Regardless of the location of some of their offices.



posted on Jan, 22 2007 @ 01:04 AM
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Wasnt Paul a fake? the infamous 'get behind thee satan' remark from jesus is enough for me not to trust Paul!? so forget all that humility rubbish thats their excuse to blind you with so they can rub our noses in their symbols.

The pope should do us all a favour and stop using dodgy questionable symbols if he is so genuine, theres mass MIND CONTROL going on in both directions, whatevers true.. thats why to me its all satanism and they are just laughing at people who know and those who dont. And they can judge how many people are awake or asleep by these symbols by how many complain!

Dont forget the crooked TWISTED jesus staff he is holding... why did they twist jesus? they twisted the story!?



and the NAZI cross on his shoulder..






and lets look at that hat again something is really FISHY there!? why does it look like a fish? turnd to the side. or a reptile? a fishy reptile even?



OH.. heres why...


www.sabbatarian.com...



So theres this DAGON (dagan - dagun -- DRAGON? also sounding like the DOGON tribe of mali,, whom also have creational stories by AMPHIBIOUS UGLY WATER GODS) semi FISH god of Chaldea, whos related to this other character ANU... which must relate to
( ANUNNAKI )
sumerian doctrine, 'those who from heaven to earth came..' who were what? reptillian.

I think its pretty obvious the pope is either lying or too SENILE to know better.

lol

[edit on 22-1-2007 by vlad_the_impaler]



posted on Jan, 22 2007 @ 07:20 PM
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FYI Dagon is one of Nimrods many names.

Now let's look how efficient this lie from Babylon is. You look out and see all those following the Babylonian religion that went to Egypt and then Rome and you say look at that...............and you are right.

Then you link to a site that talks aliens and cannot see that you are just as fooled as those following religion. How can the blind man see?



posted on Jan, 22 2007 @ 07:53 PM
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Originally posted by Sun Matrix

You might notice the cross of Baal on the Popes vestments, the same sign that is on a German warplane.


Sorry, not a religion buff, but I know my history, so I thought I'd chime in.

No German warplane, either now or in the past, ever had the swastika on it. As for the swastika's origins, that has been discussed.

The cross I believe you allure to is the Iron Cross. That was and still is the motif used on Luftwaffe Aircraft. It has nothing to do with Nazism or the swastika and actually has it's roots in the Teutonic Order of Knights in the Middle Ages.



posted on Jan, 22 2007 @ 08:36 PM
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It's kinda funny reading interpretations, when you haven't figured the most important aspect of christianity out yet.

sorry not 2 offend.

but please look here

www.gnosticmedia.com...


I found this page called pharmacratic inquisition. the authors have unfortunately taken the main page down.

but this is the forum.

it's basicly about those ancient gnostics worshipping the amanita muscara mushroom.
Being the Grail. that granted the eternal life.
kinda like the Soma of the rig vedas.

but constantin banned all the gnostic texts. gathered the ones he would like people to follow in the bible.

and then persecuted every other kind of shaman there was to be found.

Thus pharmacratic-inquisition.

Please look into this.
Some of you might have taboos against entheogens.
but realise - at the time jesus lived. there was no taboo about it back then.

When you figure it out.
You'll be able 2 see the hidden symbols EVERYWHERE.

In masonic art.
Church art.
And this give you a better way 2 understand revelations.

return of the scarlet woman riding the beast.
this is ancient symbolism for the mushroom.
The scarlet like in the fly-agaric's hat.
riding the Stem.

male and female duality.
The apple (cuz the mushroom resembled an apple when it popped up)
and magic apple (because before the science about micro-organism. people though that things that where made spontaniously - where magickal)


Then look into the Able-lon myth. avalon.

The nordic myth of iduns apples of eternal youth.

The rig vedas soma.

and etc.




please. im not trying to fool ya


I need help interpreting revelations. cuz i still can't figure it out.

but it'll be futile if you don't see the picture. cuz then you can't help me.

PS: no i don't do drugs.
Quit smokin' weed a few months ago after having an anxiety attack.

but we can't get around the fact that drugs were an important part of antiquity and ancient times. back when they hadn't ot cable tv for entertainment.

Actually th taboo about drugs started during the inquisition.




posted on Jan, 22 2007 @ 08:43 PM
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oh and please chech out the Amanita tread in symbolism for pictures of aman ita symbolism.

and also try the Cadusseus tread in symbolism. and look at the masonic architecture in the 7 page of it.



if you have a hard time being convinced.

look at these pictures of mushroom popes.

www.gnosticmedia.com...



posted on Jan, 22 2007 @ 08:52 PM
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Originally posted by stumason

The cross I believe you allure to is the Iron Cross. That was and still is the motif used on Luftwaffe Aircraft. It has nothing to do with Nazism or the swastika and actually has it's roots in the Teutonic Order of Knights in the Middle Ages.


The cross on the German warplanes is the cross of Shamash the sun god. Shamash is just another version of Baal.

The cross can be traced to Babylon, thousands of years before the middle ages.



posted on Jan, 22 2007 @ 08:55 PM
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but constantin banned all the gnostic texts. gathered the ones he would like people to follow in the bible


This is poppycock. Constantine had nothing to do with choosing the books of the Bible.



posted on Jan, 22 2007 @ 09:06 PM
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Originally posted by Sun Matrix

Originally posted by stumason

The cross I believe you allure to is the Iron Cross. That was and still is the motif used on Luftwaffe Aircraft. It has nothing to do with Nazism or the swastika and actually has it's roots in the Teutonic Order of Knights in the Middle Ages.


The cross on the German warplanes is the cross of Shamash the sun god. Shamash is just another version of Baal.

The cross can be traced to Babylon, thousands of years before the middle ages.


Er, no. It is a stylised Iron Cross, as taken from the Tetonic Knights. Unless they worshipped Shamash, I fail to see how you come to this conclusion.


The Iron Cross (a black four-pointed cross with white trim, with the arms widening towards the ends, similar to a Maltese Cross) was designed by the neoclassical architect Karl Friedrich Schinkel and reflects the cross borne by the Teutonic Knights in the 14th century, which was also the emblem of Frederick the Great. When the Quadriga of the Goddess of Peace was retrieved from Paris at Napoleon's fall, the Goddess was re-established atop Berlin's Brandenburg Gate. An Iron Cross was inserted into her laurel wreath, making her into a Goddess of Victory.



posted on Jan, 22 2007 @ 09:12 PM
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haha. sorry i might be quoting it wrong.


but please check the site out.

one failure doesn't wrong the other facts.

at least look at the pictures of popes and how they are suited after the amanita




posted on Jan, 22 2007 @ 09:35 PM
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Vlad_the_impaler posted this pic and attempted to pass it off as a Nazi symbol:




It is in fact, if I am not mistaken, a flag of Prussian origin, hence the Imperial Eagle in the centre, with the Iron Cross in the top left segment.

EDIT: I was right. It is, in fact, nothing whatsoever to do with the Nazi's, but rather the flag of the Imperial Germany. Prior to WW1....

Some people know nothing about history.....


EDIT AGAIN: To be more specific. The White background, with the black cross, with the iron Cross and German-esque flag in the corner is a Prussian flag.

As Prussia was dominant in Imperial Germany and a main contributor to the combined Imperial Army, it was made the War Ensign with the Imperial Eagle embossed over the top....

The Prussian flag has the Iron Cross due to obvious hostoric connections to the Teutonic Order who once ruled until around the 1500's....

So there....


EDIT ONCE MORE: It occurs to me why the Pope may have a Teutonic Symbol on his lapel. Well, as you might well know, the Order was founded by a Papal decree and partook in many a crusade against those nasty heathen types... Was quite popular with the papacy for some time....

[edit on 22/1/07 by stumason]



posted on Jan, 22 2007 @ 09:39 PM
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haha history is also very complex

but please look at my other tread "link to another conspiracy site"

the authors of that site have really studied hard.

i might be qouting wrong.

but it's basic fact that entheogens and early shamanism goes well together.


And err.. now come on ;D haha.. the pope is dressed like a mushroom..


Im not trying to convience ya.. it should be obvious



posted on Jan, 22 2007 @ 09:43 PM
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MyATS says Kasyapa has posted, but I cannot see the posts...

Has he/she been naughty?



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