The Irish Did It.

Why did only one Irish person die in the attacks of 9-11?

Who told all the other Irish people to not show up?

What about the Irish "construction workers" injured during the attack, only to show up at a hospital under assumed names?

911myths.com...

“Construction workers” in the WTC? That’s a very convenient cover for planting explosives, and the fact that they were working under assumed names is very suspect. We have more “Irish undocumented construction workers going up to a higher floor" on 9/11, and note the Freudian slip, "on the morning that the blasts occurred". Were these Irishmen actually part of the demolition team, making final preparations for the "blasts" that would bring down the towers?

Notice that the 9-11 commision white-washed the issue, and didn't even bring up the Ireland connection.

Wake up people, we are being lied to!!!!

Nice try

Article in the link is interesting though. Especially part starting with:

Are we supposed to believe this is all just a coincidence?

Who benefits from 911? Ireland or the Irish? Looks more like Israel to me man.

Nice try by that gov't/mossad/kochev disinfo site that probably won't be around much longer because it is going to be outed' any minute now.

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That's the point denythe, the evidence is just as strong that the irish were behind it.

I didn't realize that anything that disagreed with you was automatically a government site.

You've just been brainwashed, it's obvious it was the Irish. In fact, since you seem to be implying something that disagrees with me, you sir must be a cia/mossad/kgb/rem agent. At least until you are outed?

HAHAHA are you serouis dude?? , first irish conspricy ive ever seen and one of the most stupid

Actually, this might have some "legs". Consider that during the height of the "troubles" in Ireland (as if the "troubles" have really gone away), there were numerous reports that members of Irish terror groups went to the Middle East for training. It is not too hard to imagine that Irish terrorists could have been part of the plan on that fateful day. This is definitely something to ponder and explore.

Hello, I am from Ireland and I think this theory is quite nonsense. How the hell could Irish people benefits from killing random people like this?

Originally posted by denythestatusquo
Who benefits from 911? Ireland or the Irish? Looks more like Israel to me man.

Nice try by that gov't/mossad/kochev disinfo site that probably won't be around much longer because it is going to be outed' any minute now.

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I have a strong suspicion that 9/11 more than anything else caused a shift in public consciousness in the US with regards to the Irish terrorist organisations. The US had large sections of it's population who actively supported the nationalist cause who were rudely awakened by these acts, also that the perceived freedom fighters had many links with middle eastern terror cells didn't help to maintain symphathy for them.

Originally posted by newworldorder
Hello, I am from Ireland and I think this theory is quite nonsense. How the hell could Irish people benefits from killing random people like this?

I'm not saying the Irish people would benefit from Irish terrorist group involvement in 9/11. What I am saying is that the Irish terrorist groups themselves might have stood to benefit. Just think about how a small, hard-core, cell of Irish terrorists could benefit by being involved with Al Qaeda. Most terror groups, and wanna be terrorist groups, all need CASH and material to go about their malevolent business.

What if, during the "troubles" in Ireland, a group of Irish terrorists were sent to Libya, Syria or even Iraq to train. This part isn't very far-fetched, is it? Now, while in training, this small group of Irish terrorists would have certainly rubbed elbows with members of terror groups from all across the Islamic world. Could it be that hard to believe that "contacts" might have been made, arms and munitions traded, and perhaps "deals were made".

In true keeping with the concept of a site like ATS, it is not all that preposterous of an idea. Irish terrorists could have been involved.....didn't some, of the 9/11 flights begin at Boston's Logan Airport? And isn't Boston noted for it's large Irish population? I even seem to recall stories about how some Irish Taverns in Boston used to have jars on the bar to collect donations for the more militant Catholic factions in Ireland. It's enough to make me say hmmmmmmmm?

I think the funniest thing about this site is that, while it tries to debunk the idea that a hijacker's passport couldn't have survived the WTC crash, it absolutely shoots itself in the foot:

There’s some support for the idea from other crash sites, then, but of course surviving the initial impact is only one problem. Others ask how could one passport be recovered so quickly from the rubble of the trade centre collapses? Fortunately the answer is a simple one. It wasn’t. Here’s the official account of what happened.

The passport was recovered by NYPD Detective Yuk H. Chin from a male passerby in a business suit, about 30 years old. The passerby left before being identified, while debris was falling from WTC 2. The tower collapsed shortly afterwards. The detective then gave the passport to the FBI on 9/11.
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www.9-11commission.gov...

The suggestion here is that the passport was found amongst the debris on the street.

So we have some anonymous dude handing a policeman the passport. No-one saw the passport in the wreckage in the first place.

That wouldn't last 2 seconds in a court of law.

And this is supposed to be debunking the myths?

As Bugs would say, "it is to laugh".

Oh yeah. And how soon Americans forget that, while the IRA was waging its bombing campaign on the mainland, a lot of the money to sustain them came from the bars of Boston, and the money raised there was ignored by governments that didn't want to upset the Irish vote?

The US does support terrorists. No point in getting holier than thou about it.

without a doubt, irish terrorists could have been involved, maybe but i'm irish aswell and i really don't think so. here are a few logical reasons.

the IRA got way to much money from americans. anti terrorist feelings in the US certainly hurt their pockets.

if they could pull somthing like that off, they would have done it in britan, end of story, no way they'ld waste that plan on the wtc when they could just as easily hit the houses of parliment.

being socialist christian fundamentalists, they're unlikly to team up with autocratic muslim fundamentalists, just too big a gap.

the brittish security agencies have them too well infiltrated to not get wind of that big an opperation.

there are a few counterpoints i'd also like to make.
firstly the IRA are very well funded already without needing donations from the middle east, i would conciede that they might well have helped train terrorists from the area if we didn't already know it was the CIA. they do however probably have connections with the area through drug trafficing, so you'ld never know.

there are an awful lot of illegal irish emmigrants in the new york area, a good portion of them work in construction and it's a fairly common practice that they use false names when dealing with officaldom, including hospitals, to avoid deportation.

the probable reason that there was only one irish person killed in the wtc is that most of the trade between ireland and the us is one way, so no business interests, no reason to be there and because we're a tiny country, only 4 million people, it's just proportionate, no-one told the other 3,999,999 of us to stay away, i'd tell you if they did.

Originally posted by pieman


if they could pull somthing like that off, they would have done it in britan, end of story, no way they'ld waste that plan on the wtc when they could just as easily hit the houses of parliment.

being socialist christian fundamentalists, they're unlikly to team up with autocratic muslim fundamentalists, just too big a gap.

the brittish security agencies have them too well infiltrated to not get wind of that big an opperation.

Please note that even within any terrorist group, much less known Irish factions, there are always extremists (by terrorist standards, you just gotta know that they mean "extreme"). You know, people who have an even larger axe to grind than the typical terrorist. Even regular armies cull the rolls of 'natural born killers' and sociopaths. I would imagine that, to gain some sort of legitimacy, Irish terror groups might have seen fit to exclude certain individuals from their ranks for a variety of unsordid reasons.

If a group of such individuals, a cell within a terror cell, they might have desperate need for funding. Anyway, what self-respecting terrorist would turn down large sums of money? Such groups could easily evade detection by law enforcement as they would not, necessarily, even be known by the larger body of terrorists to which they also belong.

As far as Christians, of any persuasion, working with Muslims you have to realize that Muslims and Christians are NOT natural enemies. Muslims hold Jesus (blessed be the name of the Prophet) in the highest esteem. Even the Blessed Virgin, Mary, is an esteemed figure in Islam. So it is possible that a cell of Irish terrorists, regardless of their religion, could easily work with Al Quaeda. Al Quaeda is against the U.S. and the UK. Al Quaeda can easily make a connection that by striking against the U.S. you are also striking against the very same forces that govern the UK. It might not be that far of a stretch to consider that the terrorist trainers could have easily instilled the notion that striking against the U.S. would be a strike made against the same regime in the UK...a regime that any number of Irish groups might not necessarily like.

Yes it is a far-fetched concept but, upon examination, it is interesting to note that there are pieces to a puzzle here. They might not belong to the same puzzle as the one that the 9/11 terrorists used, but it is interesting that some of the pieces do seem to fit. We'll see when the entire picture is completed. Until then, it's interesting to see which pieces seem to belong.

Originally posted by benevolent tyrant
Actually, this might have some "legs". Consider that during the height of the "troubles" in Ireland (as if the "troubles" have really gone away), there were numerous reports that members of Irish terror groups went to the Middle East for training.

Well the test of any criminal act is simple:

you need motive and rewards to justify the act... so what were they?

so let's see a list of ideas of motives and possible payoffs then and who would have 'hired' them to do it?

Furthermore, last time I checked the main talent of the IRA was bombing which many debunkers here have fought tooth and nail for countless pages to say that no bombs were used in any of the operations during 911... so right there this theory is pretty weak IMHO.

Originally posted by denythestatusquo
Furthermore, last time I checked the main talent of the IRA was bombing which many debunkers here have fought tooth and nail for countless pages to say that no bombs were used in any of the operations during 911... so right there this theory is pretty weak IMHO.

"no bombs were used in any of the operations during 9/11"? There are some interesting threads right here on ATS that would say something to the contrary. They are worth a read; Physics Prof Says Explosives, Not Fires Brought Down WTC Towers

www.abovetopsecret.com..." target="_blank" class="postlink">Former German Minister Says Building 7 Used To Run 9/11 Attack


While in themselves, these threads prove nothing, however it does point out that there are those who DO believe that explosives were indeed used during the 9/11 disaster. And you yourself did say that the Irish terrorists did have one field of expertise -- bombing and explosives.

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Originally posted by ubermunche
I have a strong suspicion that 9/11 more than anything else caused a shift in public consciousness in the US with regards to the Irish terrorist organisations. The US had large sections of it's population who actively supported the nationalist cause who were rudely awakened by these acts, also that the perceived freedom fighters had many links with middle eastern terror cells didn't help to maintain symphathy for them.

Nonsensical argument, not because I don't want to believe it but because there is no logic to support it.

IRA activities in Ireland are greatly reduced as the IRA has resorted to political objectives over terrorism.

The numbers of illegal Irish in NYC has been greatly reduced in recent years due to the very bouyant economy in Souther Ireland, one of the best in the world as a matter of fact.

Other than money, there is nothing to gain for the IRA to be involved in 911, and I'm not aware of any money problems for the IRA... why would there be?

Lastly, London increasingly is moving towards letting the strings go attaching itself to Northern Ireland which it cannot afford any longer.

The only logical foreign country that would do 911 as a white flag is Israel. The only one and the only country with the power, money and bodies in the right places to do it and that could prosper from it.

The main objective of the war in Iraq is not in fact for oil for the USA as many lefties and so called geniuses believe.. it is in fact securing oil for Israel.

Originally posted by benevolent tyrant
www.abovetopsecret.com..." target="_blank" class="postlink">Former German Minister Says Building 7 Used To Run 9/11 Attack


While in themselves, these threads prove nothing, however it does point out that there are those who DO believe that explosives were indeed used during the 9/11 disaster. And you yourself did say that the Irish terrorists did have one field of expertise -- bombing and explosives.

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The IRA have been famous for three things in past: bombings, kidnappings, and assorted crimes like bank robbery. They were never 'classic' terrorists like Arabs have been. They also likely trained in Arab countries to avoid the all-seeing eyes of the British intelligence I'm guessing, and not is great sympathy with Arab sentiments.

Furthermore, there are a lot of better informed people than I that think the MOSSAD are the best demo and bomb experts in the entire world.

Originally posted by denythestatusquo


IRA activities in Ireland are greatly reduced as the IRA has resorted to political objectives over terrorism.

If you will note, in the scenarios that I have described, I attempted not to mention the IRA or, per se, any group. I described the possible Irish terrorists involved in the 9/11 bombings as a cell within the larger Irish terrorist faction. It is no secret that there are those within the IRA and other Irish terrorist grous that might not entirely agree with the political process. There are malcontents in every group.

To support this "conspiracy theory", I am referring to such a faction of malcontents. Also, keep in mind that just because a faction is seeking a political process, it does not mean that certain cells don't continue to plan.

Originally posted by benevolent tyrant
Al Quaeda can easily make a connection that by striking against the U.S. you are also striking against the very same forces that govern the UK. It might not be that far of a stretch to consider that the terrorist trainers could have easily instilled the notion that striking against the U.S. would be a strike made against the same regime in the UK...a regime that any number of Irish groups might not necessarily like.

if your suggesting that alquida were training the IRA, your way off the mark, the IRA have been around in one form or another for 90 odd years, they more or less wrote the terrorist handbook. as for irish groups, really, i think the IRA were the only ones who were a possibility, and their ties witth the US are and always were very friendly, thats where you go on the run, thats where you get your funding, thats where you go paddy's day for a session at the whitehouse ffs.

Yes it is a far-fetched concept but, upon examination, it is interesting to note that there are pieces to a puzzle here. They might not belong to the same puzzle as the one that the 9/11 terrorists used, but it is interesting that some of the pieces do seem to fit. We'll see when the entire picture is completed. Until then, it's interesting to see which pieces seem to belong.

what puzzle, the IRA were terrorists, most of them have laid down their arms and taken up thuggery and crime instead and the ones that haven't become pollititions are dealing drugs and stealing millions of pounds worth of monopoly money and still more continue with the war, but monty python style. (the real continuity IRA, where is he, i hate him i do.) okay, they probably could have pulled it off with bomb's, but there is no way they could keep it a secret this long, no chance.

Well, in spite of your post, after a little bit of research (and I mean just a cursory search on google) I turned up a couple of links that indicate that the IRA were involved in the train bombing in Spain for one.

Frankly, I will admit that I first responded to this thread out of idle curiosity. However, the little that I have researched has led me to believe that there just might be "something" here.

www.msnbc.msn.com...

www.nationalreview.com...


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