Life in prison for Moussaoui.

This is from www.prisoncentral.org... alot of info regarding SUPERMax prisons.

23 hours in a cell, one hour a day to stretch. whenever he leaves his cell he will be handcuffed behind his back and escorted by two guards. he is going to die in a cell near the 93 WTC cohorts, the Unabomber, Terry Nichols, some seriously badarse gang leaders and mafia folks.

the money spent on feeding him is a waste of money but you cannot kill him if he was not sentenced to die so they will let his mind rot in solitary.

there are tv's in the cells. the only things shown are anger management videos and anti-child abuse videos.


the best part of his sentencing is when the judge told him he would die with a whisper.

Saw the photos. What a wasteland. Imagine 20,30,40,50 years in that place. No wonder they go insane.

Hey, if Moussaoui does not deserve the death penalty, then who does?






seekerof

Originally posted by Seekerof
Hey, if Moussaoui does not deserve the death penalty, then who does?

Why does Moussaoui deserve the death penalty? Surely his views are despicable, but what did he actually DO? I think he just got jealous that all his radical friends from London were getting involved in attacks, but he was getting left out. He tried to get his martrydom in US courts by lying, but failed.

And why does he not deserve the death penalty?
Because you gave a more credible defense with your explanation for why he should not then his defense team?
Because he was lying?

And you know he was lying because....?
Do not answer, Jamuhn, you will just continue to make his defense team look inadequate.




seekerof

We all know why Jamuhn will defend Moussaoui. This man allowed his friends to kill 2000 innocent people, so if he doesn't deserve a death penalty who does?

Originally posted by Seekerof
And why does he not deserve the death penalty?
...
Because he was lying?

I'm not playing lawyer here, Seeker, but I do have my own opinions that it is not unreasonable to consider whether Moussaoui was lying. Seeing as other al-Qaeda figure-heads have denounced this guy and that martrydom is a salient part of his jihad, it's reasonable that he would lie to achieve death at the hands of America.

Yet, my overriding concern is independent of this particular case and the emotional appeals that people try to make surrounding Moussaoui.

I'm questioning the justice of a legal system that would sentence a man to death for conspiracy. This trial, nor any other occurs in a vacuum, especially high-profile cases. All these cases are inter-related, and any precedence set in this one is likely to carry onto future cases concerning charges of conspiracy. So then, do we recommend the death sentence for every case where someone is accussed of conspiracy?

The general public and even people here scoff at the idea of conspiracy in the way we discuss it on ATS, yet, in our legal system, it is enough to sentence a man to death. In this instance Moussaoui did engage in a conspiracy no matter how inept he was at it, but is thoughtcrime enough to warrant death? Is lying enough to warrant death?

Originally posted by Nakash
We all know why Jamuhn will defend Moussaoui.

Tell us, why is that? Because I hate your freedoms, little man?

[edit on 4-5-2006 by Jamuhn]

No, because your an Islamic apologist who will defend your countrymen at whatever cost. It's like debating a Soviet in 1982. Useless.

Originally posted by Nakash
No, because your an Islamic apologist who will defend your countrymen at whatever cost. It's like debating a Soviet in 1982. Useless.

As far as being an apologist of Islam, I am. While I'm not Muslim, I believe that Islam can lead to a healthy, fulfulling life. And my proof is in the 99% of Muslims who live such lives everyday. Your intolerance of Islam has been well-documented on the board as well as your efforts to spew your garbage of propaganda. I could wonder from where this intolerance arises, whether ignorance or your Israeli ex-girlfriend, but it does not matter, because you're still a bigot.

The only thing I'm an apologist for in the context of Islamic extremism is for tolerance and moderation to be exercised on both sides, by Islamic extremists as well as the war-hawks and bigots. I know it's very idealistic, but only dialogue will solve these problems. As much as some would like to commit genocide on the world's 1.3 billion Muslims in the world, this will never happen thankfully. So, if you want peace, you better engage the world's Muslims and not drive them into isolation where radical views WILL ferment.

As well, if your statement above is your idea of "debating," then I assure you that it will be useless for you because you will lose everytime.

[edit on 5-5-2006 by Jamuhn]

Jamuhn your point that the death penalty in this case would change the precedents for conspiracy charges is only partly correct. It would be different if a single person would have been killed, but in this situation there were over 2,000 deaths.

There is only so much talking that can be done. Thinking that you can talk all your problems away is ideology is it not? Who cares if some nutjob religion is isolated? The damned religion will not evolve in any way, shape or form. So if it needs to be removed so be it. I call it evolution, just one less the world has to deal with. And when it is gone line the next one up.


[edit on 5-5-2006 by sammael]

Originally posted by sammael
Jamuhn your point that the death penalty in this case would change the precedents for conspiracy charges is only partly correct. It would be different if a single person would have been killed, but in this situation there were over 2,000 deaths.

That's 2000 counts of one person dying though, correct? Isn't that how it's tallied up in court cases?

There is only so much talking that can be done. Thinking that you can talk all your problems away is ideology is it not? Who cares if some nutjob religion is isolated? The damned religion will not evolve in any way, shape or form. So if it needs to be removed so be it. I call it evolution, just one less the world has to deal with. And when it is gone line the next one up.

1.3 Billion people are part of this religion, and it's not going away anytime soon. Nor are the people. The notion that only power can remove problems or cause people to act is faulty logic as well. There is a reason we have diplomacy. As well, most of the power structures of the world rely on persuasion rather than coercion.

And, Islam has evolved. That's actually why you are seeing these radicals show up, because they think other Muslims are bastardizing it. You know, those 99+% of the Muslim world that the news doesn't show you. You'd be surprised how many Muslims you see everyday without knowing it; most of them live normal lives.

That's 2000 counts of one person dying though, correct? Isn't that how it's tallied up in court cases?

Yes that is how the the numbers of dead are tallied in a court case. I still don't see your smug retort making any sense though. It is not 2000 single people on 2000 seperate occasions, not related to each other. This was over 2000 people on three seperate planes that crashed within minutes of each other. What is the next question, "Well weren't all 2000 'seperate' occasions, because they were 2000 different people?"