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reply posted on 7-7-2006 @ 02:22 PM by Long Lance
off the top of my head,there are three alterations which would help a lot

  • first and foremost, combustion efficiency needs to be raised, remember that the exhaust should theoretically contain water and carbon dioxide only? that's right. do steam and CO2 smell? of course not. does exhaust smell? got my drift?

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  • lightweight construction, especially for drivetrain and engine

  • generous use of electric transmission and capacitors to regain some energy upon decelerating, a neat side effect would of course be better acceleration per prime-mover HP (capacitors supply juice for a limited amount of time)

    Mod Edit: Fixed Link.

    [edit on 7/7/2006 by Mirthful Me]


  • reply posted on 8-7-2006 @ 10:26 AM by donwhite

    posted by Zaphod58

    I worked at a flight school. A lot of people come in and buy 2-3 gallons of avgas. It's 100 octane. They'd mix it 10-1. 10 gallons [87 octane] gas to 1 gallon avgas. According to them the engine ran better and they got a bit better gas mileage. Especially with older cars. [Edited by Don W]



    There used to be hucksters at the annual State Fair who’d demonstrate some kind of fuel or oil additive and then sell it to dutifully impressed motorists. Some people believed it helped. As a young “pump jockey” I used to sell such items as Marvel Mystery Oil, Wynn’s Friction Proofing Oil Additive, Liqui-Moly and finally Andy Granitelli’s STP. I was alive and well when Shell introduced their X-100 brand of motor oil. Top of the line, then, and an extra cost item.

    Roger Huntington OTOH, an ME who wrote a monthly article in Road and Track, never had much regard for those additives. He explained that Pennsylvania crude was especially well suited for lubricating engines. That was why Quaker State and Pennzoil and Valvoline were so popular. SOCal - Chevron - developed special refining processes and chemical additives for motor oil to counter the almost total domination of the lubricating oil field by small Pennsylvania companies. Anathema to Standard Oil types.

    Sun Oil Company of Philadelphia, later Sunoco, was a small competitor in my neighborhood. Their claim to fame was the single octane grade they sold as Blue Sunoco. Dyed blue. Where most gasolines were regular at 76 octane, and premium at 80 octane, Blue Sunoco was right between. 78 octane. They knew many cars that called for premium would work ok on the lower octane. They priced their gas 1 penny over the other companies regular but a penny or 2 under the other's premiums.

    A lot of people believed the higher octane made their car run better. Roger Huntington explained why that was not so. Gasoline is truly fungible. Unless you dye it blue. It all has appx. 35,000 btu per gallon. Octane rating relates to knock resistance. Knock was a popular name for pre-ignition. That is, the mixed air and gas charge fires before you intend for it to fire. Ping! That noise you hear is the connecting rod slamming against the crankshaft bearing. Or sometimes you just burn a hole in the piston. Knock or ping is very destructive. And to be avoided.

    During the mid 1960s, Sunoco offered its “260" brand and it was the highest octane available at the pump. Cars were sold with 10 to 1 and even as high as 12 to 1 compression ratios. It takes a lot of octane to resist knock at those high comp ratios. OTOH, if you’re running 7 to 1 or even 8 to 1, regular grade gasoline at 87 octane won’t knock. So will it run better on 89 or 93 octane? They all tell me “No.”

    Regardless of its octane rating, all gas has 35,000 btu per gallon. An internal combustion engine is a heat conversion device. It takes the latent heat in gasoline and convents it into motion at the crankshaft, ready to be harnessed to do work. Q. How much octane do you need? A. Just enough to prevent knock which is sometimes called “spark knock.” That is because another way to reduce knock is to retard the spark, that is, to slow the timing. Or alternatively, you can enrich the mixture by “choking” the air flow, but now, all chocking is done automatically.

    GM and Dupont learned adding lead to gasoline also retarded spark knock or ping. They created the Ethyl Corporation which marketed tetraethyl lead for 75 years. before we discovered the hazards of lead. Octane is now mainly determined by the refining process. I believe Standard Oil of Indiana's American Oil Co - Amoco - was the lone holdout to lead as an octane booster.


    [edit on 7/8/2006 by donwhite]


    reply posted on 23-9-2006 @ 09:25 AM by justin_o_guy
    Originally posted by apc
    . A leaky exhaust manifold will murder your mileage. The oxygen sensor in the exhaust line will be getting fresh air from the leak, confusing it into thinking there is more oxygen in the exhaust than there should be, meaning it tells the computer to add more fuel. Wasted fuel. It's amazing how many cars drive around with exhaust leaks. After the catalytic is no big deal other than the noise. But O2 sensors are usually right before the cat or at the manifolds. If there's a leak near them, they'll get mad.



    Seems to me the exhaust manifold is underpressure & not gonna be sucking air in, though an honest to goodness mechanic might be able to convince me otherwise. I expect, being the bonehead I am it would take paper & pencil & a good bit of splainin to make me believe it.


    An unobstructed air cleaner is important. On Ford pickups a Torque cam will give better performance & better mileage. Why they don't roll off the line so equiped is a mystery. Low end performance is what a p/u is sposed to be doing anyway.

    I more than doubled my mileage, but I did spend $5,000.00 to do it. It can be done for less, tho. I got a motorcycle! It's fun . Maintenance, (tires & oil) cost more, & special riding gear is an expense to consider & depending on climate that varies some. If you are just needing to go to work & an occasional trip to the grocery store for a few items it is something to consider. Used bikes are around & if ya change your own oil & adjust the valves it's not too costly on maintenance. Fewer pistons is fewer valves & easier access. Single cylinder bikes are fun, 2 cylinders is a bit MORE! I have a Suzuki 650 Boulevard & it gets about 50 mpg unless I ride it more sedately & it will get 55 plus if riden gently & below 60 mph.Very dependable machine & have seen one with 85,000 miles, Suzuki LS650 Savage, pre Boulevard incarnation, same driveline, engine. They can be had for under $2,000.



    reply posted on 28-9-2006 @ 09:18 AM by donwhite

    posted by Desert Dawg

    I would argue the point:

    “ . . [today’s] vehicles get worse fuel economy than vehicles of the past. Auto manufacturers are putting larger engines in bigger vehicles, which results in unsatisfactory fuel economy. [Edited by Don W]



    My immediate family was “lucky” to have bought a new Chevrolet and a new Studebaker in mid-1941, so we entered WW2 with new cars. The 2 door Studebaker Champion got in the high 20s mpg and the Chevrolet Master Deluxe sedan got in the low 20s mpg. However, it must be kept in mind there was a well respected and enforced 35 mph national speed limit.

    I owned a new 1961 Falcon with the “optional” 170 cid engine (2.8 liters) which delivered in the mid-20s mpg. In the 1980s, the US did in fact move to smaller engines overall. The mid-size Buick Century came standard with a 4 cylinder engine of 2.4 liters. Probably about 80 hp in real terms. 0-60 in 20 secs. Top speed about 78-80 mph. But, about high 20s in mpg.

    Today’s cars have much more efficient and more powerful engines than ever. If the Federal government would raise the CAFÉ - corporate average fuel economy - from the 26 or so of today, to say, 30 by 2010, and 40 by 2020, and include all vehicles, we could see a very substantial reduction in our dependance on foreign oil. Never to eliminate it, but at best to reduce it. Unless we do this, then all the talk is just that, talk. About which an old time sage said, “talk is cheap.”
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