Let me try to answer some of this. I went to the post office and grocery store and there's all kinds of new stuff!
Originally posted by IAF101
I was under the impression that sex is mutually agreeable and not one sided and if it were to be one sided then wouldn’t it be considered as rape ?
Essentially when a man has sex with a woman it would mean that the woman was also has sex with the man and they share the responsibility of that
intercourse. So you're saying that every time a woman has sex she wants a baby with you ?
Yes, the sex we're talking about is mutually agreed upon. And yes, they share the responsibility. And no, I'm not saying a woman always wants a
Everything I said about the man goes for the woman, too
. Sorry if that seemed one-sided, I was just speaking to the man's side. If a woman is
not willing to support a child, and doesn't want a child and isn't prepared to have and support a child, then she's not prepared or qualified to
have responsible sex. And if she's not prepared to handle that, in whatever way is available to her, then she should refrain, too.
If it isnt fair in the first place then what claims of injustice can be made by the woman?
I don't see a woman claiming injustice (unless you're a woman). You're the one claiming injustice here.
Remember, the man (in the kind of cases we're talking about) only pays for PART of the child's support. His child support covers only a portion
of the child's care, not 100% of it.
As for the child, the woman has 24 months to abort or at lest 12 months to do so with minimal trauma and by still dithering she would impose a burden
on those who dont want it just to satisfy her womanhood.
Dude, I think you mean 'weeks' and this isn't about 'satisfying womanhood'. If a woman is against abortion, it's about a life inside her and she
doesn't want to take action that she considers snuffing that life. It's not about some selfish desire to be a woman. Believe me, we satisfy our
womanhood in many other ways.
Being a woman you wouldn’t understand the male perspective of such an issue;
Agreed. But I've spoken to that. If you can't do the time, don't do the crime. And that goes for both people
As for a man exercising his wants and desires, how can he?
You are way misunderstanding me. His wants and desires I was talking about were the sexual desires that got him in this mess in the first place.
Originally posted by IAF101
talk of the fact that a woman could take/receive the mans sperm in good faith with an assurance of her taking contraceptive measures against pregnancy
and then deceive the man intentionaly to have his baby and sponge on him for her and the childs upkeep.
This has happened and continues to happen.
Yes it does happen. There are deceitful people out there. And I'm sorry about that. Buyer Beware. If your argument is that women lie to get men to do
what they want, you should probably think about what men say to get women in bed, too. They're not always truthful, if you know what I mean. But yes,
there are deceitful women out there and I hate them.
But if I were a man getting ready to have sex with a woman, I would do everything I could to make sure she didn't get pregnant
. I don't care
what she says. If the man takes 100% precaution, then there's very little chance she could get pregnant. Even then, he must be prepared for accidents
or that .1% where the pill doesn't work (if they're depending on the pill). If only because he doesn't have a choice once she's pregnant.
Every little bit of protection helps. If I were a man, I would insist on spermacide and a condom or else forget it.
It's not worth the risk of bringing a child into this world that I'm not ready for and who might have to grow up without a father.
From what I have head from women they usually fing the 9 month gestation to be similar to a nightmare;
And 99.9999% of them say it was well worth it and many do it again! Yeah, it's a drag, but the euphoria outweighs that tenfold.
All I am saying is if a man is supposed to bear the responsibilites, which I strongly feel he should, shouldnt he be allowed to have rights as well
He does have rights. Just not the right to choose abortion. That's the woman's choice. He has the right to discuss it ahead of time, to zip up his
pants and leave, to demand to use protection, and he has rights to custody, visitation, etc.
I'm sorry it seems so unfair. I've had a similar conversation with my husband, so I hear you. It is unfair, but many things between the sexes are
unfair. We have periods most of our lives! Every month! Once a month, I had cramps that laid me out! It's not fair! We have menopause for 10 years,
and LET ME TELL YOU! It's unfair! We are weak compared to you! It's unfair!
[edit on 15-3-2006 by Benevolent Heretic]