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A war between societies?

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posted on Feb, 17 2006 @ 05:08 PM
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Many of these societies have already had their day in the Sun-such as the early O.T.O., Golden Dawn, Masonic Lodges, certain branches of the Rosicrucians, Society of Inner Light, etc.-and were good for their time.

However, how many are now teaching the Arcanum A.Z.F. or the Building of the Solar Bodies, as the Gnostics of the White Brotherhood are doing?

And if they are; why are they not teaching it in public for this Aquarian Age?

It's good to study Rudolf Steiner, Max Heindel, H.P. Blavatsky, Manly P. Hall, Dion Fortune, Eliphas Levi, Swami Sivananda, etc.; but now, the Great Arcanum-that was only until recent-times reserved for the most advanced Initiates of some of these Orders, Ashrams, Gonpas and so on-is publically availible.

And if you don't think that all the branches(Tantra, Buddhism, Taoism, Hermeticism, Alchemy, Zoroastrianism, Sufism, etc.) of the One Wisdom Religion teach, or have taught it in their esoteric roots; then you really ought to study their symbolism in light of the Arcanum A.Z.F.(for example, when one studies the works of Samael Aun Weor and then studies the Taoist "Secret of the Golden Flower", it is obvious that it is about the Building of the Solar Bodies).

Do you really think there would be all this fighting, if all these groups who claim to teach the carrying out of the Great Work are really doing it?


It's worth considering in my opinion.





[edit on 17-2-2006 by Tamahu]




posted on Feb, 17 2006 @ 06:41 PM
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Tamahu,

I agree...these groups have helped support my understandings and belief system also. I do not think we need any leaders. The time of being lead is over and has been over since at least Christ's time – we do not need any Sheppard to watch over the flock and to guide us forward. It is time for freedom and this explains much of what is happening now.

But as they are now teaching well, so are the black brother groups like "Order of the Nine Angels" (ONA) camlad9.tripod.com... who are teaching and recruiting people into Satanism.

I am more than convinced that the leaders of the political world today (Rothschild, Warburg, Rockefeller, CFR) are indeed fronts for Satanists and these scum, are into the whole ritual sacrifice; the spilling the blood of entire nations and supporting socialism of the very worst kind! Certainly the Vatican (having over 7 miles of underground tunnels of libraries) knows something more (they act so innocent) and I'm sure they know of removing re-incarnation in the Bible and removing the idea of "spirit" and adding the notion of an eternal hell; the usage of "invocation" for good or bad. Certainly, Masonic Lodges and churches have had more than their share of using black magic; Blavatsky herself mentioned how the Jesuits used the worst kind of (will-based) magic. The institutions are perfect fronts to hide a conspiracy. The lodges have long been dumped for the CFR and the like.

So what do you think Tamahu? I say money and power is not everything but the material conditions brought forth by "things that we cannot see" and these things are usually Ahrimanic (Satanic) in nature. It makes sense that the scum has now floated to the surface in most of these so-called agencies - it is about time we get rid of them and I think they know this sentiment very well, and are thus becoming more and more extreme in order to keep us as slaves.


[edit on 17-2-2006 by markusjharper]



posted on Feb, 17 2006 @ 08:05 PM
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So I am supposed to be at war with the masons, interesting. So many of you think the Knights of Columbus members do not have jobs or a life and we just sit around trying to figure out how to kill masons.



posted on Feb, 17 2006 @ 08:23 PM
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Originally posted by pbrez
So I am supposed to be at war with the masons, interesting. So many of you think the Knights of Columbus members do not have jobs or a life and we just sit around trying to figure out how to kill masons.


No but since the pope of Rome borrowed money from that sack of demons named Lord Rothschild (in the 1800's), and since Cecil Rhodes and Milner wanted to continue their little Atlantis Utopia fetish; all of these various groups have been working TOGETHER to prepare for KING JESUS to return. And since throughout history, the Jesuits have basically been ONE with Collectivism/Communism, I would not put it past the leaders of the clergy today to teach us ideas "against" Individualism.



posted on Feb, 19 2006 @ 07:56 AM
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Marcus, a lot of what you say is true,the key to it all is CONTROL,whether its by the church, government ,secret societies or commerce. A lot of important knowledge has been kept from the masses basically for the purpose of maintaining control, whenever truths come to light, it is denied. Why do the public need to be protected in this day and age, they don,t its just an excuse. Knowledge that comes to man should be shared to ALL. When Charles Hanaal,s book the Master Key system was banned by the church, it was not so much a bad book but taught people to think for themselves and eliminating fear ( Fear is the Major cause of control by those in power) and so not to be kept shackled,(you can find free copies on the net). A lot of the ancient books have been translated, but there is no proof this has been made available to all, we tend to BELIEVE what we are told, and then when we find out differently all the excuses come forward. I think NOW is the time when elections come up that the public force the powers that be, to open up the archives so that all that has been hidden can be seen.



[edit on 19-2-2006 by stmichael]



posted on Feb, 19 2006 @ 10:55 PM
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Originally posted by markusjharper

Originally posted by pbrez
So I am supposed to be at war with the masons, interesting. So many of you think the Knights of Columbus members do not have jobs or a life and we just sit around trying to figure out how to kill masons.


No but since the pope of Rome borrowed money from that sack of demons named Lord Rothschild (in the 1800's), and since Cecil Rhodes and Milner wanted to continue their little Atlantis Utopia fetish; all of these various groups have been working TOGETHER to prepare for KING JESUS to return. And since throughout history, the Jesuits have basically been ONE with Collectivism/Communism, I would not put it past the leaders of the clergy today to teach us ideas "against" Individualism.

Hey you got these rantings from Jack Chick. Ok I had a council meeting last thursday. Guess what the topic was, it wasnt how we are going to fight masons, it wasnt how we are getting together with jesuits to take over the world, it was about how putting ideas together to raise money for our annual nursing home dinner. Who that sounds so sinister doesnt it. Also we sent checks out to special olympics from the tootsie roll drive. I almost forgot the most evil plot, a bingo night to replace our pancake breakfest. This is the most evil plot of the Catholic church I have ever heard of.



posted on Feb, 19 2006 @ 11:22 PM
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Originally posted by pbrez
So I am supposed to be at war with the masons, interesting. So many of you think the Knights of Columbus members do not have jobs or a life and we just sit around trying to figure out how to kill masons.


You don't get it, do you... We low level minions don't know what's really going on. In fact, we're probably hypnotised or something. Or maybe it's a Stepford Wives situation, and you and I haven't yet been replaced by killer robots for the great KoC vs Masons war.

I'm sure Markus will clarify...



posted on Feb, 22 2006 @ 07:21 PM
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What you said in post 1992282 of this thread, markusjharper, reminds me of a certain story that goes something like this:



Obviously, compassion is a fundamental manifestation of the consciousness, yet according to Universal Gnosticism this term is not easily understood by our subjective mind.

Master Samael related that he was submitted to a certain kind of test while alongside Krishnamurti. The two were questioned, "What would you do if you were suddenly witnessing the rape of a woman?"

Krishnamurti answered, "I cannot answer that, because I am not there. When I face that situation, then I will know what to do; I can only answer while facing that in the moment."

The interviewer turned to Samael and asked him the same question. "What would you do?"

Samael said, "I would do ANYTHING to help the lady, even to the point of KILLING her attacker."

The questioner said, "You are right. This is the correct thing to do."

Many of us have difficulty distinguishing between COMPASSION and TOLERANCE.

The Monks of Tibet who stood by while their comrades were killed and raped obviously suffered this conflict: they did not understand that ACTION is often superior to TOLERANCE.

To tolerate the ego of another person is vital at certain times; but in other cases it is a deadly mistake.

The Gods pass beyond GOOD and EVIL, even beyond this word "compassion." The Gods can appear terribly cruel, and yet they act through the light of the Christ.

Compassion manifests according to the Level of Being.

Do not mistake compassion with tolerance.

Best regards.





Originally posted by markusjharper
Tamahu,

I agree...these groups have helped support my understandings and belief system also. I do not think we need any leaders. The time of being lead is over and has been over since at least Christ's time – we do not need any Sheppard to watch over the flock and to guide us forward. It is time for freedom and this explains much of what is happening now.



Christ's 'time' is now.

In fact, Christ has nothing to do with 'time'.

Those who think that we will all be saved in time, are obviously mistaken.

The Great Work is about appyling the Three Factors--(Re)Birth(creation of the Solar Bodies), Death(of the ego) and Sacrifice for Humanity--from moment to moment.

None of this has to do with belief, or dogmas of evolution.




But as they are now teaching well, so are the black brother groups like "Order of the Nine Angels" (ONA) camlad9.tripod.com... who are teaching and recruiting people into Satanism.



And they will reap what they sow.

All we can do is 'be aware like a watchman in the time of war', and not get seduced by these nonsense doctrines(Scientology, Burning Man, Philip Berg Kabbalah, pseudo-Rosicrucians, mind-power schools, Satanism, etc., etc., etc.)




I am more than convinced that the leaders of the political world today (Rothschild, Warburg, Rockefeller, CFR) are indeed fronts for Satanists and these scum, are into the whole ritual sacrifice; the spilling the blood of entire nations and supporting socialism of the very worst kind! Certainly the Vatican (having over 7 miles of underground tunnels of libraries) knows something more (they act so innocent) and I'm sure they know of removing re-incarnation in the Bible and removing the idea of "spirit" and adding the notion of an eternal hell; the usage of "invocation" for good or bad. Certainly, Masonic Lodges and churches have had more than their share of using black magic; Blavatsky herself mentioned how the Jesuits used the worst kind of (will-based) magic. The institutions are perfect fronts to hide a conspiracy. The lodges have long been dumped for the CFR and the like.



Yes, it has already been established that many political/economic and 'religious' organizations, and 'mind-power'/self-help schools are under control of the Black Lodge.

(BTW, The "Eternal Hell" of the Roman deviation from the Original Gnostic Christianity, is a logical impossibility, and even blasphemous considering that Allah is the only Eternal One.)

Even many of the Fraternities, sects, Lodges, etc. that have in the past been considered White, now become questionable; given the fact that they aren't now openly teaching the true significance of Alchemy/Tantra or Arcanum A.Z.F., which is the actual Building of the Temple of the Solar Man, the Solar Sahu of the Kemetians, the To Soma Heliakon of the Greek Mysteries, or the Merkabah of the Kabbalists.




So what do you think Tamahu? I say money and power is not everything but the material conditions brought forth by "things that we cannot see" and these things are usually Ahrimanic (Satanic) in nature. It makes sense that the scum has now floated to the surface in most of these so-called agencies - it is about time we get rid of them and I think they know this sentiment very well, and are thus becoming more and more extreme in order to keep us as slaves.



Like I've said, "getting rid of "them"" is a useless attempt, unless we've comprehended in-depth the elements within ourselves that are responsible for such atrocities; whether they exist within the sub-conscious, un-conscious or infra-conscious levels of the mind.

I believe it was Emmanuel Kant who said(paraphrased): 'The exterior is a reflection of the interior.'

This is why we're in such a mess, because people think they have the answers, and then project these "answers for our problems" into the 'exterior' world without even knowing themselves(we all do it).

In fact, I shouldn't even be here right now; I haven't even completed the Lam-Rim preliminaries!



But anyway, it's only a matter of time, before these said demonic inner elements that we have not yet comprehended, will manifest themselves on the stage we call the physical world.

In fact, they are always manifesting themselves without us even being aware of it!

So perhaps we have something within, that is beyond time, who is capable of comprehending these nasty aggregates, so that the Divine Mother Kundalini can disintigrate them.....




[edit on 22-2-2006 by Tamahu]



posted on Feb, 22 2006 @ 08:23 PM
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Tamahu,

I liked your story. I would agree with Samuel and that sometimes action is better than non-action. What we see today is that most people care so much that they say "I want to help the poor. Here take my tax money", or "what can I do to stop this war in Iraq. Nothing!" or, "how can I care about all those children dying, besides I got to pay my bills", or "I'm have to pray and I got to become spiritual". Typical, tolerance of evil!

Well, what makes them any different than a bad man? A bad man loves his family and selfishly loves many things. A bad man may even work against the NWO for he too is selfish.

Without the Spirit - without Christ - all knowledge is to be understood in the Luciferic and that time had already passed. The Luciferic knowledge allowed the early Christian Gnostics to comprehend the Christ Mystery and by the year 333, the Luciferic knowledge began to decline in place for Ahriman and this explains the spiritual darkness that many plunged into.

Everyone wants a King - a King in flesh and the guy who comes in on a cloud to save us. No one will be coming but Ahriman (Satan) and who do you think Lucis Trust awaits? I think they know that they tried to put Krishnumurti in place of the Christ and Krishnu saw through the ploy.

Since 1879. the Christ spirit has been flowing from the etheric and Hitler (Sorat) also helped cover this up but if these lost souls (including many who post here) do not come understand this soon, we will soon be living in some very dark times.


[edit on 22-2-2006 by markusjharper]



posted on Feb, 24 2006 @ 07:27 AM
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Originally posted by markusjharper


Everyone wants a King


Why do you say that?


- a King in flesh and the guy who comes in on a cloud to save us.


To be completely honest, I don't expect anyone to come down from the clouds to save us. We eventually are going to have to take responsibility for our own actions, and either save ourselves or continue to exterminate one other.







 
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