The WMD Cult

Jakomo

Your ability to state the reality of the situation in what defectors have said, is important and so far unique in the WMD Cult. This analysis is appreciated very much.

And furthermore, about the program of eradicating WMD's, citing the NYT:


www.alternet.org...

Nay on Kay
Posted October 12, 2003 @ 10:22PM

In a straightforward and detailed deconstruction, a NYT editorial concludes that "the brief unclassified version of his Congressional testimony and his statements to the press are maddeningly short of specifics that would allow independent experts to evaluate the credibility of the sources, the possibility of dissenting interpretations and the scale or stage of Iraq's efforts." In fact, Kay's bias has led him to, in newsroom slang, "bury the lede," as weapons proliferation expert John Ciricone points out in his own debunking essay.

"In the middle of a paragraph halfway through his testimony, Kay presents what should have been his lead finding: 'Information found to date suggests that Iraq's large-scale capability to develop, produce, and fill new CW munitions was reduced -- if not entirely destroyed -- during Operations Desert Storm and Desert Fox, 13 years of UN sanctions and UN inspections." Similarly, three paragraphs into Kay's description of Saddam's intention to develop nuclear weapons, he says: 'to date we have not uncovered evidence that Iraq undertook significant post-1998 steps to actually build nuclear weapons or produce fissile material.' It is understandable that Mr. Kay did not wish to highlight these findings. They are not mentioned in his concluding points, nor in his opening summary."


Kay is just spin and lies, totally.

Actually, Silk, the Posse Comitatus forbids US soldiers in City streets patroling, replacing the civilian police force. However, the borders arent a matter of civil serivce, but a matter of national security.

Thus, troops at the borders, patroling the coastal and land borders, would not be a violation as long as thier duties were simply martial as far as the entrance of foreigners, or illegal materials.

The INS is primarily an office, it has a few agents, and its job genrally is documentation of people, or sweeping for illegals. They do not patrol the borders, they respond to calls when illegals are found. The military wo0uld not be doing this. They would be working at the borders making sure no one or nothing gets in.

At the airports, the INS would be working the terminals and the gates. If the military was patroling the borders, the INS would have alot more personnel free to use at checkpoints, since they would not have have so many offices and stations set up around them to collect people caught while entering.

I have a [problem with US troops running through US city streets, when we already have a civilian legal system and police force to do that. The US troops instead should be stationed at bases, and along the unpopulated borders, stopping every boat or vehicle comming into the country, searching it, ect, or taking out boats and craft that are trying to ram through the border.

Like the Canadian and Mexican borders, which can use ALOT omore policing.

Putting troops along our borders would not be interfering with the daily lives of US citizens, it would be interfering with people who are attempting to come here. Thus, I have no problems with that nor do I see it as a violation of Posse Comitatus. Its perfectly within our rights, as they wont be instilling martial law onto US citizens, nor patrolling the streets, but patrolling the US borders.

Something we DESPERATELY need.

Proofs and counter-proofs, the cycle goes on....
Whose telling the truth, who isn't....

"Iraq: the lies go on"
Link:
heraldsun.news.com.au...

Excerpt:
"I ALREADY knew our media had trouble telling the truth about Iraq.

After last week's shameful headlines, David Kay now sadly agrees. Kay leads the 1200 American, Australian and British experts searching for Iraq's weapons of mass destruction, and last week gave an interim report on what they'd found.

Here's how it was sold to us. "Weapon hunt fizzles," declared the Hobart Mercury. "No weapons, no approval for Bush in poll," gloated the Sydney Morning Herald. "Iraq search finds no WMD stockpile," said the Age. "US weapons hunt turns up nothing," added the Northern Territory News.

ABC's PM program was even surer of another US "setback": "No evidence of weapons of mass destruction have been found in Iraq," it trumpeted.

David Kay saw the same kind of headlines in the United States, and says he's "amazed" the media thinks his search has failed.

Did journalists actually read his report, which lists startling new evidence of Saddam's weapons?

Says Kay: "This is information (that), if it had been available last year, would have been headline news." He's now certain "we're going to find remarkable things" in the future, too.

So let me go through his report, which you can read in full on the www.cia.gov website.

Right off, Kay kills the myth that Iraq never had many WMD.

The proof is in: "Iraq's WMD programs spanned more than two decades, involved thousands of people, billions of dollars, and were elaborately shielded by security and deception operations that continued even beyond the end of Operation Iraqi Freedom." (the recent war)....."

"WHAT DID DAVID KAY FIND?
Hidden Labs, Documents And Equipment,
Biological And Chemical Weapon Catalysts,
UAV And Missile Programs, And More�"
Link:
www.rnc.org...

Excerpt:
"�We Have Discovered Dozens Of WMD-Related Program Activities And Significant Amounts Of Equipment That Iraq Concealed From The United Nations During The Inspections That Began In Late 2002.� (David Kay, Statement On The Interim Progress Report On The Activities Of The Iraq Survey Group, 10/2/03)

� �A clandestine network of laboratories and safehouses within the Iraqi Intelligence Service that contained equipment subject to UN monitoring and suitable for continuing CBW [Chemical and Biological Weapons] research.� (David Kay, Statement On The Interim Progress Report On The Activities Of The Iraq Survey Group, 10/2/03)

� �A prison laboratory complex, possibly used in human testing of BW [Biological Weapons] agents, that Iraqi officials working to prepare for UN inspections were explicitly ordered not to declare to the UN.� (David Kay, Statement On The Interim Progress Report On The Activities Of The Iraq Survey Group, 10/2/03)

� �Reference strains of biological organisms concealed in a scientist�s home, one of which can be used to produce biological weapons.� (David Kay, Statement On The Interim Progress Report On The Activities Of The Iraq Survey Group, 10/2/03)

� �New research on BW-applicable agents, Brucella and Congo Crimean Hemorrhagic Fever (CCHF), and continuing work on ricin and aflatoxin were not declared to the UN.� (David Kay, Statement On The Interim Progress Report On The Activities Of The Iraq Survey Group, 10/2/03)

� �Documents and equipment, hidden in scientists� homes, that would have been useful in resuming uranium enrichment by centrifuge and electromagnetic isotope separation (EMIS).� (David Kay, Statement On The Interim Progress Report On The Activities Of The Iraq Survey Group, 10/2/03)

� �A line of UAVs [Unmanned Aerial Vehicles] not fully declared at an undeclared production facility and an admission that they had tested one of their declared UAVs out to a range of 500 km, 350 km beyond the permissible limit.� (David Kay, Statement On The Interim Progress Report On The Activities Of The Iraq Survey Group, 10/2/03)

� �Continuing covert capability to manufacture fuel propellant useful only for prohibited SCUD variant missiles, a capability that was maintained at least until the end of 2001 and that cooperating Iraqi scientists have said they were told to conceal from the UN.� (David Kay, Statement On The Interim Progress Report On The Activities Of The Iraq Survey Group, 10/2/03)

� �Plans and advanced design work for new long-range missiles with ranges up to at least 1000 km - well beyond the 150 km range limit imposed by the UN. Missiles of a 1000 km range would have allowed Iraq to threaten targets through out the Middle East, including Ankara, Cairo, and Abu Dhabi.� (David Kay, Statement On The Interim Progress Report On The Activities Of The Iraq Survey Group, 10/2/03)

� �Clandestine attempts between late-1999 and 2002 to obtain from North Korea technology related to 1,300 km range ballistic missiles --probably the No Dong -- 300 km range anti-ship cruise missiles, and other prohibited military equipment.� (David Kay, Statement On The Interim Progress Report On The Activities Of The Iraq Survey Group, 10/2/03)

� �With regard to Iraq�s nuclear program, the testimony we have obtained from Iraqi scientists and senior government officials should clear up any doubts about whether Saddam still wanted to obtain nuclear weapons. They have told ISG [Iraq Survey Group] that Saddam Husayn remained firmly committed to acquiring nuclear weapons.� (David Kay, Statement On The Interim Progress Report On The Activities Of The Iraq Survey Group, 10/2/03)

�In Addition To The Discovery Of Extensive Concealment Efforts, We Have Been Faced With A Systematic Sanitization Of Documentary And Computer Evidence In A Wide Range Of Offices, Laboratories, And Companies Suspected Of WMD Work.� (David Kay, Statement On The Interim Progress Report On The Activities Of The Iraq Survey Group, 10/2/03)"

And here: (with pictures)
Link:
www.fas.org...


Questions beg to be asked......
1) Is anyone refutting that Saddam had WMD at all? Does this only pertain to before and just after Gulf War 1?

2) If Saddam had stopped and destroyed all his remaining WMD prior to those 250,000+/- troops massing on his borders......why then didn't he just allow the UN inspectors or whomever full access to prove it?

3) Hypothetically, since the US military, since the fall of Saddam's regime, who have control of the entire country and access thereof, and with captured leading Iraqi weapons scientists couldn't or didn't find those "WMD"....whose to say that Mr. Hans Blix and his UN inspection team would find them?

4) Also, because of the unprecedented amount of evidence provided by respectable information sources: Gloabl Securities, F.A.S., C.N.S., the UN documentations, and countless others......it would appear that they were all lying and decieving right?

5) Do any of you think the nation's of the UN Security Council would have agreed that Saddam/Iraq still had WMD if their nation's didn't know from their own intelligence agencies that they did?

6) Since the US can't find them, it's quite apparent that Saddam doesn't have them....and thats fact?


It don't matter to me, though I go through this cycle of trying to justify otherwise. I'm a firm believer in the PNAC agenda, courtesy of you, MA, but I, and this is my opinion, do seriously believe that Saddam did have WMD programs, as well. The man, Saddam, had them oor he dumped them off or he destroyed them and if the latter is correct, then he was more insane than anyone could have imagined......250,000+/- troops threatening to remove you from power and he still wouldn't allow full access or show he had recorded that he actually destroyed what was not discovered already. It's all insane to me......this wolrd is so freakin' screwed up, that sometimes I really think the truth will never be found.....on many things.

Good thread though MA....

regards
seekerof

Seekerof

I think most of the things falling into the minutiae of the Kay Report fit the category of the statement "Hussein had weapons programs". As was pointed out by the New York Times, the more significant finding that there were no WMDs to be found at all, and all evidence that pointed to the fact they had been destroyed, is buried to highlight what small semblance of so-called evidence could be tabulated in favor of the 'yes there were weapons, see here' as a last gasp effort.

However, this is not the basis upon which the Bush admin advised Congress of the requirement to invade sovereign Iraq, and not the basis upon which other nations committed their forces or other resources. The basis was that there was an immediate threat posed by readily deployable WMDs, not that Hussein once had weapons programs. The evidence was false, fabricated, a deliberate selection of lies.

Yes, it was in support of the PNAC agenda dating as far back as 1998. To fight an economic and resource war on the pretext of national security.

When you say you are a believer in the PNAC agenda, I question - do you mean that you believe this is why Iraq was invaded 4+ years later, or do you mean you are actually a supporter of the PNAC agenda? If the latter, do you believe that the neo-cons have any clue whatsoever about what the repercussuions of what they have done will be - economically on the US, and strategically on regional stability in the middle east?

That is another topic altogether, of course.

Seekerof,

you are wasting your time here, this is why,

First these people will never accept, see or admit to the role of the anti-coalition forces, people that can thwart and twist the perception of everyone looking at this story from the sidelines. The anti-coalition forces do not have to answer to anyone and all they do is attack and criticize until they get what they want.

Second it is becoming more and more apparent day by day now that the jewish lobby is flexing is considerable muscle not only in the US but the rest of the first world. They envision a liberal global society and they are striving for that. The first objective is the destruction of any right-wing politics in the first world. What goes unsaid here is that they are also serving the interests of the global controllers that desire global 'consistency' in order to implement control.

Third and final point is that the left-wing global order used to seduce the common man will when fully implemented be used to move towards totalitarianism, whether it ends or fascism or not does not even matter to the average person but may matter to those at the top.

People that attack the autonomy of the US and any first world country are in fact serving the global agenda. They are working indirectly for the global cabal and they will have a lot of soul searching when this is finally over.

[Edited on 13-10-2003 by THENEO]

Ok... 3 points AGAIN...

1. Saddam WAS, WITHOUT QUESTION, manufacturing bio/chem weapons and willing to spend Uday's last quarter to get nukes.

2. Hans Blix was the Elmer Fudd of the WORLD. (those of you not fortunate enough to have grown up with Warner Bros. cartoons will comepletely miss this one).

3. He is OUT OF POWER NOW thanks to the Good Ole USA, as USUAL. Without the Good Ole USA Europe would be highstepping to frau Brauderlund's Waltz in Jackboots.

INSTEAD, they smoke top grade ganja and enjoy a couple hundred BILLION a year in economic BOOSTER from MY TAX dollars.

Go smoke a rope if you have a problem with this. OFFER an alternative or SHUT THE FORK UP.

Seeker, YOU do the work and NOBODY (but the WISE) gets it. Sad isn't it? They ALL have an agenda that doesn't GET ANYTHING DONE other than to line their pockets on the misery of their fellow man whom they keep in bondage through dependence.

Yep, they hand OUR hard earned money to some slob on the street in exchange for his vote. THAT keeps them in POWER to line their pockets MORE and their kid's pockets too! Do you see the # PILE here?

Slam ANYONE who bucks the Cash for Votes" system. (Their Modus Operendi)

Here's a REAL BALL BUSTER for 'em though...

George W. Bush's approval rating went UP to 55% this week! His approval rating last week was 50%, on PAR with the MOST POPULAR PRESIDENTS the past 50 YEARS in their third year... NOW he is 10% HIGHER than the most POPULAR PRESIDENTS in the past FIFTY YEARS in their 3rd year!


PEACE...
m...


[Edited on 10-13-2003 by Springer]

MA said:
"When you say you are a believer in the PNAC agenda, I question - do you mean that you believe this is why Iraq was invaded 4+ years later, or do you mean you are actually a supporter of the PNAC agenda?"

Answer: I am not a "supporter" of the PNAC agenda.


Also...this is why I believe and think Saddam had WMD programs....:
Found this article awhile ago looking up something for one of Advisor's topic in aircraft dealing with rockets....:
"Iraq Pledges Nerve Gas Report, Junks New Rockets"
Link: is dead but was reported by Reuters on 03-03-03 by Hassan Hafidh.

Excerpt from article:
"BAGHDAD (Reuters) - The United Nations said on Monday Iraq, seeking to avert a threatened U.S. invasion, would submit a new report on VX nerve gas and anthrax stocks in a week's time, as Baghdad scrapped more of its banned missiles.

A key U.S. and British charge against Iraq has been that it has failed to account for all the chemical and biological agents that were slated for destruction after the 1991 Gulf War.

Britain pooh-poohed the latest Iraqi concessions. "Given the history of deception, cheating and lies it is understandable that we should be approaching what we are seeing at the moment with a degree of skepticism," a government spokesman said.

U.S. preparations for war continued apace with U.S. defense officials saying Washington had extended the targets being attacked by air patrols in "no-fly" zones over Iraq to include weapons that could hinder a ground invasion.

Iraq says it has destroyed all its chemical and biological arms, but chief U.N. weapons inspector Hans Blix, due to report on Iraqi compliance to the U.N. Security Council at week's end, says Iraq has provided no details to back up that claim.

Iraq and U.N. arms experts discussed on Sunday Baghdad's proposal for "quantitative verification" of VX and anthrax. Iraq says it has carried out recent excavations that proved it has destroyed "important quantities" of the banned substances.

"Iraq will be providing a report on the VX and anthrax in a week's time," Hiro Ueki, spokesman for U.N. weapons inspectors in Baghdad, told Reuters. Ueki also said six more Iraqi al-Samoud 2 missiles and two empty warheads were destroyed on Monday at Taji base, some 25 miles north of Baghdad."


You see, if Saddam had no WMD or had, indeed, destroyed them, why is he saying/agreeing to a voluntary disclose or submittal of "a report on the VX and anthrax"? I have yet to find this "filed with the UN" report.....still looking but no luck. But the point I am making is why these occurrences such as the one I pointed out......?

I don't know....just my gut feeling this....but yes, I would concur with what you said in your last post about the "reasons" verses the 'real' reasons.


regards
seekerof

[Edited on 10-14-2003 by Springer]

The war was not fought because Saddam had "weapons programs". It was fought because the Bush Administration said that they were SURE that he HAD ACTIVE WEAPONS. Not programs, not printouts of how to make a nuclear bomb, but a BOMB.

Here's some of David Kay's report, in plain English.

"�A clandestine network of laboratories and safehouses within the Iraqi Intelligence Service that contained equipment subject to UN monitoring and suitable for continuing CBW [Chemical and Biological Weapons] research.� Suitable? Suitable for CBW research, like many labs out there in high schools.

"�A prison laboratory complex, possibly used in human testing of BW [Biological Weapons] agents, that Iraqi officials working to prepare for UN inspections were explicitly ordered not to declare to the UN.� " Possibly used in human testing?"

"Reference strains of biological organisms concealed in a scientist�s home, one of which can be used to produce biological weapons.�" Referring to the single vial of botulinum found at that scientists' house, it had been in his fridge since 1993. That vial contained the B strain of botulinum, not the more deadly A strain. It did not contain botulinum toxin, the actual nerve agent known in this country as Botox, only the more common botulinum bacteria that can produce the toxin.

"�Documents and equipment, hidden in scientists� homes, that would have been useful in resuming uranium enrichment by centrifuge and electromagnetic isotope separation (EMIS).� " "Would have been useful"


It's pure comedy. And a laughable attempt at making it seem like less of a complete and abject failure.


jakomo



[Edited on 14-10-2003 by Jakomo]

Jakomo

At the level of seeing reality for what it is, some people cannot accept it, and have to resort to the tenuous implications, convolutions and distortions of Kay.

Look at who Kay is and why he is, and your answers are immediately there.

To adopt his report as the post-hoc justification required for the invasion of Iraq is to be a merchant of denial.

Just an update of info about WMD in Iraq.

www.alternet.org...

In Iraq, a vial of harmless botulinium found in a scientist's refrigerator is cited by the United States' leaders as proof of the righteousness of the occupation of a foreign country, while in Los Angeles women throw Botox parties where participants receive injections of a related toxin to smooth wrinkles.

here are the facts as I see them

1. the UN sent inspectors to Iraq (yes, hans blix is the real elmer fudd but...) they found nothing after months of searching that even resembled a WMD.

2. we went to war in Iraq because they posessed the dreaded WMD, even though all reports stated Iraq had nothing.

2. later on, we have found no WMD

3. even more later on, nothing

4. us here at home have come to the conclusion that there are no WMD (save the WMD cult).

5. a story on cnn makes ME at least, belive the only WMD's these guys posessed was a donkey cart loaded with rockets. (and Baghdad Bob )

6. even later on, we still havent found anything.

god, I would love to see someone find a legit WMD, just so my faith in the Bush administration would be restored...but I just gotta call it like I see it...

and the emperor is stark naked here fellas.

MA

By reading this thread it has become apparent to me that even as FACTS of an Iraqi WMD program fly in your face you still will not accept them. There is no point for me or anybody else to try and sway your stance on the issue as you have already made up your mind.

They had the WMD's no doubt.

The only question is whether they were able to be deployed within 40mins. Nobody knows the answer to this question so there is no point in debating it.

the associated press reported on something like $40-60 million worth of chemical weapons being smuggled out of Iraq. Saddam had a lot of time to hide his programs. Hes not stupid by any means, we can't find him, hes got us bogged down in iraq and having his men take pot shots at us. We kicked his ass in the first gulf war and he knows not to make the same mistake twice, he knows our military would demolish what was left of his. He knows that if the US can't find any WMD's (the reason for war) then it would be a HUGE political defeat for the US and Bush.

He had all the reason in the world to use every resource at his disposal to hide those weapons.

Originally posted by FULCRUM

Originally posted by MaskedAvatar
The cult leaders emerge....

Springer..

The big cult boss..

Yep. They're all pretty transparent.

According to this article, dated in the British way of dating---day/month/year instead of month/date/year as US news articles are dated......this article is dated 07/12/2003, which is the 7th of December, 2003.

Interestingly enough, this was carried on a couple main news TV coverages, including NBC's 'Evening News Tonight'.
It is also noteworthy is that all of those particular news stations added the same conclusions: "...that there could now be little doubt that Saddam really did have WMD.....and that apparently, his officers were ordered to use them, but refused and went home rather than risk the consequences of their use.
This article is of an interview, of sorts, with a senior Iraqi officer, who goes on to mention that "those who knew of their existence would talk once it becomes clear that Saddam is captured or dead."
It seems that as time goes on, they are indeed talking and revealing startling information.
Article:
"The truth, at last"
Link:
www.telegraph.co.uk.../opinion/2003/12/07/dl0701.xml&sSheet=/news/2003/12/07/ixnewstop.html

Excerpt:
"The West should thank God that the Iraqi army decided not to fight," Lt Col Dabbagh tells the Telegraph's intrepid Con Coughlin in today's newspaper. "If the army had used these weapons there would have been terrible consequences." The weapons Col Dabbagh was referring to are Saddam Hussein's stocks of chemical and biological warheads. A senior officer at the heart of Saddam's armed forces, the colonel was the conduit of the now-infamous claim in the intelligence dossier which Tony Blair presented to Parliament and to the country: the claim that Saddam had the capacity to unleash weapons of mass destruction, including chemical and biological weapons, within 45 minutes of ordering their use.

Col Dabbagh told Mr Coughlin that the 45-minute claim was "100 per cent correct". He added that Saddam had hidden huge stocks of arms, including his chemical and biological munitions, at secret sites across Iraq. The colonel's claims must be taken very seriously. He has no reason at all to make them up, or to lie to Mr Coughlin, by whom he was reluctant to be interviewed. Yet it is important to be clear about what Col Dabbagh's testimony does - and what it does not - establish. There can now be little doubt that Saddam possessed chemical and biological weapons. Col Dabbagh saw those weapons for himself when they were delivered to his unit, and indeed received instructions on how they were to be used...................................."

Of note is this line:
"It reported that Iyad Allawi, the head of the Iraqi National Accord and a prominent council member, confirmed he had passed information from Col al-Dabbagh on Saddam's weapons to British and American intelligence officials in the spring and summer of 2002."

In a related article:
"Iraqi colonel: I am WMD claim source"
Link:
news.independent.co.uk...

Excerpt:
"Col al-Dabbagh said he had no idea what became of the weapons he was describing. He believed the weapons would not be found until Saddam was caught or killed, as people would then feel freer to speak about them."

And this on Col. al-Dabbagh:
"How the 45-minute claim got from Baghdad to No 10"
Link:
www.portal.telegraph.co.uk.../news/2003/12/07/wirq107.xml&sSheet=/news/2003/12/07/ixnewstop.html

Excerpt:
"Lieutenant-Colonel al-Dabbagh is not a man who is easily frightened. Having spied on Saddam's regime for British and American intelligence for more than seven years, the 40-year-old former Iraqi air defence commander lived with the constant fear that he might be caught, tortured and executed.

So when last week, shortly after I had interviewed him in Baghdad about his involvement in the infamous 45-minute claim, he received two death threats from Saddam's loyalists, his determination to describe his involvement in revealing details of the former Iraqi dictator's deployment of weapons of mass destruction remained undiminished.

The threats - one verbal and one written - warned him not to divulge any secrets about Saddam's regime, on pain of death. The week before our meeting, members of Saddam's Fedayeen had sprayed his house with machinegun fire.

"Saddam's people are doing this all the time," he said. "That is why it is so difficult to find the weapons of mass destruction. I am sure the weapons are hidden in Iraq just like I see you now. I am concerned that the chemical and biological weapons are there."


Again....this old article on the chemicals that were dumped into the Euphrates River and tested to be Cyanide and mustard:
"Mustard, cyanide said found in Euphrates: TV report"
Link:
www.abc.net.au...

I'm positive that a 'search' on this above incident will reveal more articles of depth and information on the Euphrates River dumpings. And again, with whole squadrons of aircraft that have been found buried in the sand, who knows how much chemicals and bio's have been buried, as well.............or moved.......



regards
seekerof

[Edited on 6-12-2003 by Seekerof]

What does having WMD have to do with anything anyways?

You have a secured oil supply for your big wheels now.

You have that fruitcake Saddam on the run, somewhere.

You have saved face by kicking some ass in the middle east.

Lastly, anyone with the ability to rationalize knows that WMD can be MOVED easily now. Saddam had up to six months to move stuff around or bury it or whatever. Try and tell me that neighbouring states would refuse his 'special care package for future delivery to Israel?'

If you are so worried about WMD, then why are you not questioning the UN's motives or France or Germany's? Does not their 'defiance' make you nervous?

Do you think that is the Dems are elected and all the looney left here win, that they are actually going to turn over Iraq to the people or even Saddam like they have suggested?

ROFLMAO! you wish. So my point is what is THEIR POINT!

Are they trying to prove that they are honest or sincere or decent or whatever? What are these people desparate for Jobs in the government now?

Seeing as how I have been dubbed "The big boss" of the CULT of WMD (the LOONS have run amok again!) I would like to point out that TRUTH is the CULT of my group.

Unfortunatley there are those (merely read this thread and remember the names of the LOONS) who would deny the TRUTH even while sinking in its reality.

The doctors of the world have names for this condition but since I am not a doctor I won't quote those names here.

Unfortunately these poor innocents have no clue of their ailment. They are lost in a sea of denial and imagined reality.

This reality they imagine seems so real to them (mostly because they live in the realm of dogmatic BS with their eyes closed) that are unable to distinguish it from the light of day...

Let us hold kind thoughts for these lost children and there unsensible thought processes lest we become like them and deny reality as well....

PEACE...
The BOSS

Wrong again, totally..

Still no WMDs (never were, for 10 years +)! Concentration spans of the unthinking are short enough that they move onto the other bad news and terror and bull# presented to them for a while, and forget the lies that were presented to them by Bush and his cronies..

Sad thing about cults, is you can't leave them easily without adequate support. Good luck to those of yoi who still think there are WMDs to be found in Iraq, but it is truly sad for you.

whats truelly sad that you people think ure helping the world by clinging to this not-strong-at-all subject of WMD's.
i believe the war in iraq was the right thing to do for the future of this planet and it annoys me that people will do anything just to get at america/UK

The War in Iraq was/is an illegal invasion of a sovereign state. All that happens from here on in is just damage control. The total effort is a disaster.

Fabricated reports about the deployability of significant arsenals of ready WMDs were a political lie, brought about by the fragmentation of the intelligence system in the US and the introduction of the OSP specifically to present bull# findings to Congress, to the UN and to gullible elements of the public.

The opinion that this war was in any way the right thing to do is not borne out in any evidence of what has happened in Iraq, at all. Quite the opposite. It wouldn't matter if China or Israel or Germany or Luxembourg had invaded instead of the unilateral effort, the war is still wrongful and predicated on total lies.