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Originally posted by longhaircowboy
Ok I see what your saying. And it made me go back and reread the original post. I didn't find any mention of the previous claim of Kennedy's bad back.
I'll read it a third time later just to be sure.
Excitable Boy
The president was standing in the car? Ridiculous. It's hard enough for a healthy person to do this for any short length of time, never mind JFK with his bad back He wouldn't stand up in the car...he would sit and relax and wave at the crowd as he drove by
One thing I did notice was that the eyewitness accounts qouted are quite different.
Mr. Chism says the President was standing before the first shot.
Mrs Chism says he was standing when shot (which Mayet says means he was standing before the first shot).
Mrs Chism
I heard this first shot, and the President fell to his left. The Presidents wife immediately stood over him, and she pulled him up, and lay him down in the seat, and she stood up over him in the car. The President was standing and waving and smiling at the people when the shot happened.
Mr Newman
The President jumped up in his seat, and it looked like what I thought was a firecracker had went off and I thought he had realized it. It was just like an explosion and he was standing up.
Mrs. Newman says the President jumped when shot. And Connally grabbed his chest.
Mr. Newman Heard a shot then the President jumped. Connally was holding his mid sectoin.
Jean Newman seems to me to be describing exactly what happened in the Zapruder film. At least the one I've seen.
There seems to be quite a discrepancy in these accounts
and I don't see how these could mean the photo evidence is phoney. Shoot there aren't even 2 of those accounts that match each other.
Photos of Kennedy standing in Miami and Hawaii do not mean he was standing in Dallas. Where's the eyewitness testimony to that?
See what I mean? You can't say one set of photos are real and then say the others aren't. Especially using such wildly varying witness testimony.
I think the place to look for dirty dealing is the Warren Commission. Just the list of members gives me pause. That commission was so loaded there was no way a fair hearing was gonna happen.
And I'd like to thank LBJ and Tricky Dick for ruining 3 years of my life.
Anyway i just wanna say thanks. For making me think.
Excitable exerts that everything is ridiculous and silly, classic disinfo techniques. we have shown the Hawaii photos and the Miami ones, which were incidently taken aug 63 Hawaii and Nov 18 1963 Miami. (a few days before the assassination). Both set of photos show JFK standing in the limousine, which gives further credibility to the witnesses accounts (on pre existing Method of Operation) and the Miami ones show him bending over.
Originally posted by Excitable_Boy
Cowboy....I don't blame you for not wanting to touch this mess!
Excitable exerts that everything is ridiculous and silly, classic disinfo techniques. we have shown the Hawaii photos and the Miami ones, which were incidently taken aug 63 Hawaii and Nov 18 1963 Miami. (a few days before the assassination). Both set of photos show JFK standing in the limousine, which gives further credibility to the witnesses accounts (on pre existing Method of Operation) and the Miami ones show him bending over.
I'm going to ask for about the 5th time at least....Mayet....why would anyone hide the fact that the president was standing in Dealey Square? WHY? Why would they edit it out of every movie and every photograph taken that day? WHY? You haven't answered yet because you have no answer because you realize how pathetic this is. Again, there was a massive conpsiracy and all you rant on about is your belief that the president was standing....
Get outside and get some fresh air......
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Once again to demand the answer of why the president was edited out "if he was standing" requires a philosophical answer. We are presenting here the evidence from first eyewitness testimonies taken on the 22nd and 23rd of November 1963. That is to say evidence not philosophy.
Just a guess here but me thinks that if it can be proved that Kennedy was standing in Dallas then it supports the Green Man theory. If Kennedy wasn't standing then the Green Man theory has zero validity. Did I figure it out?
Once again to demand the answer of why the president was edited out "if he was standing" requires a philosophical answer. We are presenting here the evidence from first eyewitness testimonies taken on the 22nd and 23rd of November 1963. That is to say evidence not philosophy.
Originally posted by longhaircowboy
Just a guess here but me thinks that if it can be proved that Kennedy was standing in Dallas then it supports the Green Man theory.
If Kennedy wasn't standing then the Green Man theory has zero validity. Did I figure it out?
And while I'm at it I'll say again-photos of him standing somewhere else has zero relevance to what he did in Dallas.
Simple analogy- You come to my house on tuesday. You take a picture of me standing by the kitchen table. You come to my house friday and I'm sitting at the table with a friend. You take a picture of me sitting at the table. Later you ask my friend "hey when I came by that time what was LHC doing?" My friend says I was standing. Now the pictures from tuesday show me standing. So because I was standing tuesday I must be standing friday because someone said so. Ignore fridays photos. They're fake.
That's just how I see it. It may be simplistic but if you want to reach people the most effective way then simple is best. It's called inference. You infer that since he was standing one day he must be standing the next day.
Go ahead and bring on the circular logic the way you did to my last post. You deflected that one so well I gave up in exasperation. Shoot you even refuted yourself. What was the name of this thread again? Fake what?
And you had the audacity to say you didn't say one set of photos are real and the other isn't.
But I don't think this is the solution.
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Green Man theory that only helps prove the hoax and actually now stating that maybe previous pictures of Kennedy in previous motorcades have been altered.So you have gone from having no pictures edited to all pictures but the ones filming the actual assassination being altered.On top of that the guy who's statements caused the previous motorcade pictures to be posted just cant get enough of bringing the issue up even though it does nothing to help his case.I say again are you suggesting the govt went back to the other motorcade pictures and edited Kennedy from sitting to standing to make it look the opposite of his uncommon behaviour in Dealey Plaza.