even google isnt safe anymore..

I just heard this on the radio. It's disgusting! But not surprising. BushCo wants control. Complete control.

And I'm not comforted by the fact that Google said no. Bush gets his way. He got around the torture agreement and the wiretapping fiasco and he'll get around this.

And they don't just want the porn records, they want them ALL. I'm surprised they didn't use the 'terrorist' excuse for this one, too. Maybe because people are sick to death of it...

Now it's the children! Think about the children!

We must protect the children from another 9/11!!! Er, uh... I mean PORN! Yeah... that ought to do it.

Originally posted by justyc
cyberkat, whilst google have rebuffed the subpeona for now, you have to bear in mind that they are owned by shareholders, and you can bet that a lot of those shares went to people who werent so sympathetic to googles 'do no evil' policy. they will try to buy as many more as they can.

I know I responded to this same post last night, but earlier tonight, I watched "Nightline" (I know, ABC, owned by Disney, etc...) but still the anchorman sounded very positive that there was a meeting of Google and all the major shareholders this morning, and every one of the shareholders firmly backed Google in NOT complying with the subpoena.

In an interview with one of Googles co-owners, he said that all the information from them is on the web. I think I have a link: well, I looked for a while, and can't find anything that says exactly what I heard on Nightline, but still nothing to suggest that Google will be giving in:

Google Case Boosts Heated Debate

Oriinally posted by Nerdling
Google is definitely a pawn of someone. Who that someone is we don't really know.

Yeah, regardless of the positive stuff I'm hearing about Google holding their ground, etc.... I have always gotten that same feeling........

ok, i'm using lots of search engines except Yahoo, my more delicate searches (means conspiratorial topics) are done with more obscure engines, but..

is there anything i can do except entering numeric addresses and hoping for the best to at least get around the censorship part (even if the surveillance part still gets me - in 40 yrs or so, when they're done analysing the stuff...)

any ideas?

note that i won't be disappointed if you do not reply.

I know many have come to realize that it is a truly dark time we are approaching as "the beacon of democracy and freedom" for the whole world but the hour is actually much later than it seems. Surely in the darkest reaches of your mind you all wondered what an American police state would look like? It will not be a flashy takeover.

Remember, the people in power with all the money and all the influence have nothing to do with their lives except plan yours and mine and everyone elses as mere statistical assests in their grand chessboard. But I digress for a second.

The Google case should be the glaring red alarm signal that one would except in dire emergency situations. The situation in this case being big brother. This is how clever these Malthusian thugs are that just when you thought all your internet traveling was done in a safe and anonymous setting... You discover that the most important search engine that has the most users has been asked to participate in pretty much an order handed down from the propaganda masters and their corporate armies.

But you also discover that while it is now newsworthy to report the Google case all the other freaking search engines sold out even earlier and Google was the last and largest lone wolf that was not under constant electronic surveillance done by our alphabet soup federalis. Of course, some of you may have known this all before and discontinued use of those search engines and some of you may have not known or didn't care to see the danger.

I am in the latter. I sort of knew but could not see the big picture until I discovered how it all makes sense. The point is, no matter how bad you think this whole issue really is. I'm not talking about Google. I'm talking about the big picture. Remember this, ATS is monitored. They are all monitored. This is all used as data to create a profile or file case for each and every one of us.

I just deleted from my firefox, every search engine including google and yahoo. No more of these serpants in my ever shrinking closet of privacy, no matter where it may be. These are just small losses compared with the big picture, so when you think that this was bad remember how much worse is up ahead.

Be afraid.

PS- I am high. High NSA.

www.google-watch.org...

taken from another, similar thread, google isn't any better (of course not, anything approaching a certain market share will be bought out), the question is how to get some decent search results ?

Let's face it: a standoff is inevitable and anyone with internet habits remotely similar to or will inevitable land on the red list.

when the baloon goes up, actions will be wholly different, for now i'd like to have some insight at least.

I've read lots of really even more scarey things about the DoD and how they invented the Internet and have been spying on us all along and don't need Google or Yahoo, or any of the others, but that they are scared because always in the past, they have been the ones in the "front" with all the information. But now that the Internet has become public, the private sector is now providing them with info and they don't like that.

They want to be in control again of everything, and they will do anything to gain it ASAP.

I tried to post links, but it is on one of those "pay" sites, and I can't seem to. It won't "copy" or let me make a link to it. At least AFAIK. I will keep trying. It has some very scary and interesting things straight from *.gov sites.

Also *sort of off topic* is there any reason why there are at least 3 active threads that are about the same regarding this topic. I'm not trying to complain or offend anyone, it's just that I'm sort of trying to follow this subject, and in order to do so, I have to check all three. (Just my 2 cents)

[edit on 1/23/2006 by CyberKat]

www.csrc.nist.gov... " target="_blank" class="postlink" rel="nofollow">link

This link doesn't go anywhere. Sorry, I realy did try. There is lots of info not found even in google that ought to be more readily accessable to the public. Sorry I don't know more about computers.

[edit on 1/23/2006 by CyberKat]

[edit on 1/23/2006 by CyberKat]

using the excuse of protecting children against pornography on the net, the bush administration subpoena'd google inc last year for its records on what people search for and web addresses - CNN
google have refused to comply.

What I find funny about this case is that google offers a service where they show you what the last 10 people searched for. That is all the government wants. I dont see how that affects anyones personal freedom.

I just heard this on the radio. It's disgusting! But not surprising. BushCo wants control. Complete control.

All the goverment wants is what people have searched for. Are you saying you dont mind google having that AND MORE information about you? Hell, google can get your IP which can be traced directly back to you. The government isnt asking for anything that detailed. So please, explain yourself.

The Google case should be the glaring red alarm signal that one would except in dire emergency situations.

Maybe from reactionarys who froath at the mouth when anything about Bush comes out in the news. I just dont see how its ok for google to have this info, but not the government. Explain to me how the government could use any of that info to track anyone? Please please PLEASE explain yourselvs.

Look at the words rebel sait uses; Corparate army, Bush co, ect... Do any of you really believe there isnt anything this guy would blame on Bush? His rhetoric is right out of the propagandist handbook.

[edit on 24-1-2006 by Dronetek]

Anyone that doesn't wannt big brother looking over your shoulder, I suggets you read this article and follow its advice. It makes surfing considerably slower, but if you download foxfires mozilla you just use the proxy server in that browser.Then you just use the mozilla browser when you want to look at stuff and dont want to be red flagged.
www.wired.com...

notice my ip on Internet explorer is 66.31.117.16 (I changed a few #s here for security) Now my Ip adress with mozilla browser w/ privoxy is 85.31.186.61 it changes all the time and can propably be traced thru 6-7 computers all the way to china lol

just adding another bit regarding google & privacy of information - news.bbc.co.uk...

but check out the quote - "We think this will be a very useful tool, but you will have to give up some of your privacy"
Marissa Mayer, Google"

hmmmm

and just to add an interesting bit of info on marissa mayer....

she used to work for SRI International...

www.sri.com...

"As part of our mission, SRI is helping the U.S. government meet imperative homeland security and national defense needs. In the past decade alone, SRI has more than performed $2B in contract R&D, primarily for the U.S. government"

i have a bad feeling about google, i think theyre going to stab us all in the back, wait untill everybody goes to google for "more privacy" and then when they have us all in one place they will submit to the new rules just as everybody else.

Great marketing move on their part though

well with a little extra research it seems miss mayer is a very interesting character in google with her fingers in every part of the pie and the doorway between the workers & the bosses. (& speaking of bosses, she also seems to like to date them... google co-founder larry was her ex and her new boyfriend is co-founder of neotonic, the email response management company bought by google)

anyway, aside from that bit of gossip is an interesting article i found which details a lot more about her and her role in google besides the cut n paste bio you see on virtually all the google searches of her name....

dmec.haas.berkeley.edu...

i found this paragraph especially interesting..." Although it is already translated into more than 115 tongues, from Arabic to Zulu, they wonder whether they should proceed with more obscure choices. Before one minute elapses, Mayer interjects. Google shouldn't be the arbiter on languages. Just include anything considered legitimate by a third-party source, such as the CIA World Fact Book, she says. "We don't want to make a large geopolitical statement by accident." "

makes you wonder who the two un-named people mentioned in the beginning were that were pushing her into joining up with the google co-founders...