So, im back home guys.

I dont get this thread anymore. South Africa is the most friendly country i have ever been. I have been treated like a god, and i did not had a typical vacation like to see some wild-parks and other things. I have seen the darkest and baddest things South Africa has. Young 15 year old boys dying from aids, lost his parents, sisters never there... and still they are so nice and friendly...

i cannot imagine this UHURU thing would ever happen...

By the way, i was in King Williams Town, Buffalo City, East London

Geez! I am so glad that you posted this The Netherlands. FINALLY someone who has actually experienced our wonderful country and has the cahoneys to say how great it was/is!! I love my country and will NEVER leave. There will be NO UHURU and I don't care what anyone else says. The biggest threat to our country are the white supremists who enjoy stirring up the rest of the citizens of this gorgeous country. I'm not saying that we don't have problems, especially when it comes to government corruption but these things are all part of a new democracy and will be sorted out in time.

The Netherlands, please spread the word and do come back to visit whenever you can!

reply to post by LovingSoul

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Thanx, i will come back, thats for sure.
I can go back in June if i want to, but then ill need 1500 euros first

But to stay on-topic: Maybe the tourists that visit the big cities like Johannesburg and Capetown etc etc see a whole different country then i did.

I was not there on vacation, i was there to build a centre for kids that have aids. I have not seen the big city's, except for East London. I have seen the real Africa, the poor and aids-infected Africa.

I have, for example, worked with people from the age of 17 to 20 that are very poor and have aids. Then you get to know them much better than when you are on vacation and are just walking past them.

When we were done working for the day, we sat down with a beer, and suddenly in the kitchen the old grandma's were singing and dancing. Stuff like that. You will never experience such things when you are a tourist, sleeping in a hotel and visiting some safari-parks.

Tourists cannot appreciate the real africa. To do that, you have to see what i have seen. And a tourist on vacation does not visit the areas like i lived in for three weeks.


If you dont have money to buy food for the next couple of months, if you are dying and living in a home that is made out of plastic with no electricity and water, and you still can be so friendly like those south-african people were to me, then to me you are the greatest.

I'm just glad that there is still open minded people like Diela. Just wanna say that suth africa is not a paradise anymore

hmm. I read your article and found it absurd to say the land 'rightfully' belongs to the Black. You refer to the Seer who speaks of a remnant being saved and act as if it's not possible because a smaller portion keeps the way of their forefathers than previous days. As the days of Elijah were so is the age of chaos - NOW.

You say they believe they come from Israeli Jews...incorrect. The mystery of Israel is that the Nordic Christian White race is descended of the Israelites - the mystery of the Jews is something else, but they are to be sure anti-christ and you can read what the word of God says 1 John 2:22-23, Revelation 2:9, Revelation 3:9. They are liars who are not who they claim to be - but have not even the Father to their aid nor are they chosen by any but Satan'el - or if you insist they are the Chosen of Christ then you should know they are chosen for damnation.

So info?
I would suggest you break out an encylopedia and check this out which shows the people called Jews are NOT of Judah or the Israelites of the book.

Under the article of John Hyrcanus I in the Enclopedia Britannica

high priest and ruler of the Jewish nation from 135/134 to 104 bc.

"The remainder of Hyrcanus' reign was marked by his efforts to punish his enemies...and conquered the unfriendly neighbouring territories of Samaria and Idumaea (Edom). He forced Idumaea to convert to Judaism, the first example of conversion imposed by the Jews in their history."

Same source, article of Edom:

"Edom and Moab were later conquered by the Nabataeans, and the Edomites migrated to southern Judaea, where they were known in New Testament times as Idumaeans."

the Jewish Encyclopedia - Edom

"After the conquest of Judah by the Babylonians, the Edomites were allowed to settle in southern Palestine. At the same time they were driven by the Nabatæans from Idumea. In southern Palestine they prospered for more than four centuries. They were again subdued by John Hyrcanus (c. 125 B.C.), by whom they were forced to observe Jewish rites and laws (ib. xiii. 9, § 1; xiv. 4, § 4). They were then incorporated with the Jewish nation, and their country was called by the Greeks and Romans "Idumea" (Mark iii. 8; Ptolemy, "Geography," v. 16). With Antipater began the Idumean dynasty that ruled over Judea till its conquest by the Romans...From this time the Idumeans ceased to be a separate people, though the name "Idumea" still existed the time of Jerome.

www.jewishencyclopedia.com...

1 John 2:22
Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: [(but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also].

Revelation 2:9
I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and [I know] the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but [are] the synagogue of Satan.

Revelation 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

Also you can check this out from an American minister for most of you anglo-speakers. He has an archeologist and biblical scholar on talking about these findings and OUR roots and the lineage of Abraham.

www.youtube.com...

reply to post by TheNetherlands

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my friends dad came through for his sons 18th birthday from belgium and he was killed not even 24 hours after arriving. in a house infront of his son and his sons girlfriend and one friend. they proceeded to rapr the girlfriend onfornt of the son while his dad was dying next to him. please come back to this lovely country.

i have many more stories 10-20 a night happen in pretoria alone

I would like to comment on UHURU, and I would like you all please to be open-minded about what I will tell you. I will not force you or try to make you believe what I tell you. I will merely highlight some problems and then we go from there okay?

First of all, forget about the cliches about a volkstaat, about rightwing plotters, about overthrowing the government and all other jazz you heard about. It is propaganda and should be ignored. Look at your surroundings and what is happening in SA right now.

Example: Crime is getting out of hand, no news there. Although it might interest you to know that 2016 farmers have already been murdered in SA. Israel invaded Libynon for 2 soldiers that were kidnapped. (think about this). I can also tell you that the murder rate (excluding people dying in hospitals due to neglegence) is about 64 per 100 000. In France, the rate is 4 people dead per 100 000. SA is currently the crime capital of the world. Farmers are mutilated and tortured until death. I can show you photos, but my idea is not to scare you but to inform you.

I have a video which you can download from the net, about the songs which ANC/Cosatu/SACP members sing at their rallies, their meetings etc. These songs are called freedom songs or struggle songs and after 12 years of "democracy", they are still being sung. These songs incite hatred and violence towards whites. The problem is that these songs are an expression of what these blacks feel and are prepared to do. This is not a racist comment, be open-minded about this. What the reasons for their hatred is, is irrelevant for now, I am only highlighting the current environment in SA. So bear with me.

Next you saw the strikes in the country that have been escalating. Since November 2005 there has not been a single day in SA without an organized strike (on large scale, not little strikes). Think about the Transport strikes, Petrol strikes, PicknPay,Cleaners,Shoprite and Security guards as an example.

What happened to the loyal workers who refused to strike? They were thrown off trains, their arms were cut off, they were killed and tortured. Why? Think about this... it is not just a question of "it's in their blood". Let me explain why..

Remember the necklace murders which made WInnie Mandela famous? She burnt her victims alive with tyres around their necks if they dared disobey her orders. What was the result? Unity. How sick it may seem, it installed a discipline amongst her followers. Blacks were afraid to disobey her orders which put her in a position to give any order she pleased and knowing, that it would be carried out, regardless of the consequences.

The strikes are creating a similar discipline. They are persecuting anyone who does not unite with their cause. Now the next question is Why? Why do they need this unity, and what are they planning that they need this amount of discipline for? I will leave this question with you and after the article you can decide for yourself.

Next I want you to look at the culture of the blacks. Not the urbanized black people, look at the rural people. Think about the fact that they have little or nothing to lose. Think about the estimated 20 million illegal immigrants in the country who feel nothing for the people here. Even the blacks dont want the immigrants here because they "take our jobs", one black person was recorded to have said.

Also think of this, there has been 25 years of propaganda about how bad all the whites are, how badly we treated them, how we (today still!) take their jobs, own all the land, try to undermine them, want to rule them, dont want them to have anything worthwhile, how WE GAVE THEM AIDS etc etc. Whether it is the truth, or lies is irrelevant for now, I want you to think about cause and effect.

Okay, so lets recap:
1. The majority of blacks have a deeply rooted hatred for whites.
2. They have nothing to lose and believe that the possessions of whites are theirs for the taking.
3. They believe that we are settlers who do not belong in Africa.
4. They are instilling a discipline amongst their people to do "something"
5. They incite eachother by singing vicious songs about killing whites (even today).
6. Look at the crime levels in SA (being the most dangerous country in the world today and where countries like New Zealand warn tourists about crime and urging them rather to choose other destinations)
7. Look at the hate crimes being committed in terms of farm murders and the brutality of it.

I can go on, but my point is, if there was a rumour that they could have the chance to kill whites when Mandela dies, some may believe it, and if only 0.02% of the black population in SA believes this rumour and are willing to kill (like they said they would), then we have 200 000 murderers running the streets that neither the army nor the police can stop.

But there are also other possible scenarios: APLA was the old military wing of the PAC, the most communist party in SA. When the military wing was disbanded, these militants were taken up into the army. The people you need to protect you if such a scenario plays out, are the people who chanted slogans like "kill a boer, kill a farmer" etc. Just think about this... dont comment.

Also think about this, the military and the government act on "all possible threats". When they hear of a potential threat to their position, they act immediately. Why? Because they are rather safe than sorry. They cannot afford to underestimate a rumour.

Now we have heard a "rumour". You can underestimate the scenario, or you can prepare. It's going to take effort but not more than that. None of your efforts will be wasted.

We are in agreement that anarchy is possible, whatever the reason, and whoever is involved is not important. Whether it is 100 000 criminals, or 100 000 armed militia, or 100 000 ex-apla members, it is irrelevant. Point is, there is a potential unslaught and we need to prepare for it. Unfortunately, talking isn’t going to make much difference now, those who haven’t listened until now, will not listen in the future either.

I have two questions that maybe some of the south Africans here can answer.

One can the Africans run the mines in SA without whites. or will the country fall apart from not having the technical people that are mostly white.

Two does SA have nuclear weapons that they were believed to have developed with help from israel.

The first question will give a clue as to what will happen without the gold coming from SA.
Gold prices will go through the roof.

The second question has to do with who now controls these nukes and how secure are they from terrorist getting them in the future.

I wouldn't be surprised if this type of program falls in line with global population reduction.. instigated and lead by intelligence agencies..

just in a more localized method.. as it would be.

[edit on 6-6-2009 by Jack Lioneye]