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reply posted on 3-1-2006 @ 10:02 AM by wang
Ok befor i start i want to point out that i believe the holocaust happend, a great number of jews, gypies, homosexuals, russians etc. died in nazi death camps.
First of all have the numbers been exagerated? Well at the end of WW2
jehovah's witnesses calimed to have sufferd over a million deaths, in later years they exact number was found and it was 157. If they could exagerate the numbers to that extent who is to say that other ethnic groups couldnt do the same?
Second of all just another few points to make, none of the nazi death camps where on german soil. Auschwitz was in poland. Also i watched a doco in high school history that presented the idea that hitler did now know about the death camps. Hitler as we all know thought he was a military genuis, he had alot on his hands. From producing a great war machine, to brainwashing his countries masses, building the german economy, etc. He himself i doubt had time to see over everything. Now who is to say that people under hitler, went over him to create the deaths camps. It is known that the nazi's burned alot of documents befor the end of the war, but out of all of them we had found only one document refering to the killing of jews, and that was hitler mentioning in a document the "final solution". But the final solution could of also referd to other nazi war plans for all we know.

We all know the great saying "history is told my the victors", and this is what has happend in ww2. Dont deny the truth.


reply posted on 3-1-2006 @ 10:46 AM by Seekerof
Hello, wang.
Is 'proof' of the murder someone, such as Hitler, Heydrich, Himmler, Eichmann, etc., signing a form authorizing the death of millions? There was no such form. These murderers were smart enough not to leave their signed names on such authorizing paperwork. What was left is now contained in the German WWII and Holocaust archives, well-documented and meticulously kept. As such, the German government has never argued or debated over the numbers murdered. Now why is that?

Accordingly, while the decision to murder millions was already authorized, the planning, organization, and implementation of the Final Solution took place at the
Wannsee Conference. Furthermore, the decision for the deportation [mass] of the vast majority of Jews from Europe [Germany, France, etc.] to the East [Poland, etc] was decided at this conference, along with their murders.

People can argue numbers all they like, but I do find it ironic that the German government does not, then again, they are the ones who do maintain those WWII concentration and death camp documentations and records now contained within the German Archives, so they should know better than anyone, eh?
Originally posted by wang
Dont deny the truth.






seekerof

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reply posted on 3-1-2006 @ 11:19 AM by Seekerof
Originally posted by wang
Well your point has two sides to it seekerof.
Democracy won in germany, why would the democratic germany sympathize and try to even surport the german national socialist party?
If the numbers were smaller that first told, i doubt a democratic germany would argue it.

I will say it again, so that perhaps you will understand the implications of what I am saying here: Paper tells no lie. The German Archives are the main and only source for the numbers of Jews, Slavs, Gypsies, homosexuals, etc, etc. murdered by the then Fascists German government. What you and others fail to admit, realize, or simply ignore/bypass, is that the German people have always, always been notorious for their meticulous record keeping abilities. The Holocaust was no exception and no matter the government in power. Again, paper tells no lie.



Also your post also helped prove my theory, hitler was not present at the conferance, yes im sure you can link him to himmler, heydrich and others and say he had a influence. But if this was in todays court of law hitler would get off scott free with the small amount of evidence of his knowledge of the death camps.

I highly doubt it.
First off, if Hitler had survived, he would have hung or been sentenced to death as the vast majority of his murdering gang of thugs. You have no proof to back your assertion that Hitler knew "little" of what took place in those concentration camps and death camps. If you do, please provide it. Be assured, Mein Kampf would have been slammed in his face as proof of probable cause. Furthermore, those underneath Hitler--Heydrich, Himmler, Eichmann, Goering, etc.-- feared Hitler, feared him enough that they did not do anything without his approval or authority, written or spoken.



Also just to add to the thread, why dont we get told in school about what happend in the ukraine befor and during ww2? The "silent holocaust" and the numbers of victims over the reign of the stalin communist party and the german nazi party was over the 10million mark. Yet we are constantly told souly about the jews who died during this time.
This is where i think a conspiracy shows through.

Because there has only been one Holocaust. There have been a great number of genocides. Attend a college level Holocaust class or history of Europe or History of Russia class and you will hear and learn of such as you mention. Other than the Holocaust, what you mention concerning the other genocides are not or seldom taught on a high school or lower level.






seekerof

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