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Originally posted by GrOuNd_ZeRo
Be prepared for a crap-storm from our American friends, they are a little paranoid and a little bit proud, whenever you mention something might be better than American stuff they freak
Originally posted by NR
If they`ve got a a laser range finder on the Chieftens , and they`ve copied the gun , then the Abrahms is in for a tough time , as the gun used out ranges it.
I really doubt its even on par to the M1A1, the M1A1 still has far superior armor, and the T.72 gun cant even penetrate frontal armour of the M1A1.
Please look more carefully into your sources, they are not just old soviet tech, heavily upgraded with advanced cannons and shells so i'm sure its a match, Also why do you think we made ATGM's and TOW's? new anti-tank missile Kosar can ripp through the M1/A2 abrams like hot knife through butter.
Thanks bro, There hasn't been any reprts on it yet but for sure it will be using 125mm smoothburner gun and not Russian tank shells but our own
You were right about americans here they did get off topic but rogue needs to stop acting like one, his countrys military sucks so he switches to U.S....
Originally posted by Winchester Ranger T
How alien it must seem to the British to be proud of your country, understandable though.
[edit on 27-11-2005 by Winchester Ranger T]
Originally posted by gooseuk
I do have a question for our american colleagues, when it comes to knocked out Abrams, do you recover them or burn them out, have there ever been an incident where the Abram was not burnt out or recovered? because if there was it would be interesting to see in a few years if there is a few Iranian Abram clones rolling accross the desert.
Originally posted by Harlequin
Rouge - the original challenger tank is a chieftain chassis with a new turret and the CHARM 1 gun - which was fitted to the export version of the Chieftain as well as the British Army Chieftains.
The challenger 1 was to be built for guess who - the Shah of Iran , but the project went over to the brits after the shah was deposed in 1979.
So with the L11A5 gun and HESH load , the Iranian Chieftains ARE a threat to the M1 tanks
Originally posted by rogue1
Well HESH rounds aren't effective that's why they're very rare these days. Modern armour doesn't scab, hence the hesh becomes almost useless. Also the decreased muzzle velocity of a HESH round makes shooting over long distances rather inaccurate.
Also, I'm assuming that you think this new Iranian tank has a copy of a Brit tank gun and not a Russian one.
Originally posted by Harlequin
a good FCS system will compensate for any `inaccuaracies` over long range - don`t forget the brits hold the record for the longest range tank kill - and that was with HESH as well
Originally posted by Harlequin
Hmmmm , IF the CHARM round was used in GF1 (its a DU load) then the Iranians could also use it , as the gun on the Challenger is the same as on the Chieftain.
Originally posted by Harlequin
Anyway - IF the new gun is based upon the Chieftain gun , then the M1`s will be introuble , as , unlike Iraq m Iran is somewhat different terrain.
Originally posted by Harlequin
well , uranium (or even the ammo) they could get from russia
armour? if they`ve copied the chieftain (or even somehow got hold of a dead abrams) then they *might* have layered armour on them.
maybe a databus as well - then you could have a baby challenger tank
Originally posted by NR
Hey Rogue stop acting American!!! your australian dude how bout you talk about their army for once? oh i forgot you guys are just another puppet for US, is it because your military sucks?
LOL, yes we are small, but highly professional. I'm sure one Aussie infantryman would be worth 5 Basij Not to mention our special forces, which are amongst the very best in the world
tank rounds are all produced in iran and we made over 5 tanks on our own so don;'t say we don't have the money or technology to make armoured vehicles or anything advanced....
Yeah, but where are the specs for your tanks ? Like I said show me something to change my mind.