Greys are not Aliens.

chem-tox.com has posted summaries of environmental causes of infertility/miscarriage from major medical journals and magazines.

Male infertility increases over past 40 years
One-half of 1% of men were functionally sterile in 1938. Today it has reached between 8-12% (an over 15-fold increase). "Functionally sterile" is defined as sperm counts below 20 million per milliliter of semen.

If this trend continues this way it wont take long for sterility in men to be a major problem. This will heighten the need for babies to be made the artificial way and could cause genetic problems down the line.


Here is more from the web site.

Fertility treatments not very effective
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Infertility treatments are a $1 billion a year industry
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Smokers have more abnormal sperm
"Male smokers have an increase in sperm abnormalities, thereby suggesting a mutagenic effect."
(This probably wont have an effect in the future due to the decline of smokers ---Umbrax)
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Pesticides suspected of causing infertility
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Infertility caused by pesticide found in the air of most homes built before March 1988
Approximately 75% of U.S. homes are being being found to contain the pesticide chlordane in the breathable air.
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Car exhaust decreases fertility.
The common car exhaust compound benzo(a)pyrene (BaP) causes a significant reduction in fertility in test animals and fertility was further lowered when animals were exposed to both BaP and lead simultaneously. Results showed approximately a 33% reduction in ovarian weight and a "marked reduction in ovarian follicles."
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Coffee decreases fertility
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MSG greatly reduces pregnancy success
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Male infertility and chemicals in drinking water
Drinking water from the Thames Water Supply in the United Kingdom was pinpointed as the cause of lower sperm counts and increases in abnormally shaped sperm. Common detergents were the chemical suspected as causing the reproductive damage.
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Miscarriage increases from chemical solvents:
The major risk chemicals were:

perchlorethylene (dry cleaning)..... 4.7 times greater risk

trichloroethylene (dry cleaning)..... 3.1 times greater risk

paint thinners ............................... 2.1 times greater risk

paint strippers ............................... 2.1 times greater risk

glycol ethers (found in paints)........ 2.9 times greater risk
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After reading that web site it looks to me that our future in natural reproduction is in danger.
... one step closer to the Greys

Originally posted by Umbrax
Flying saucers have also shown up in art from our past.

From 1710.

There are many other appearances of 'Aliens' & 'UFOs' in art through out history.

[edit on 7/11/2005 by Umbrax]

Most "UFOs" in art is just people misunderstanding the symbolism, style, etc.

This picture has nothing to do with UFOs or Aliens. Your just misunderstanding it. Look how far away it is.. you can't even see what its supposed to be depicting. I guess it gets confused with UFOs because people don't pick up on the religious symbolism (like people would have) back when the paintings were created and can't see it clearly.

The picture is showing the Holy Spirit at the the baptism of Christ. The Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is commonly shown as a dove surrounded by a circle and radiating rays of light is used to symbolize the holiness of God.

Examples

Gerard David. The Baptism of Christ. Central section of the triptych. c. 1505 Oil on wood. Groenigemuseum, Bruges, Belgium.

Cathedra Petri : The Holy Spirit

Descent Of The Holy Spirit

Now, if you look close at the painting in your post. If you zoom in on it, you will be able to see its a dove in the middle.. representing the holy spirit.



You would see it much better if you were seeing it at a museum but since most of these people that view it wont or can't do that.. and people don't understand.. they will just call it a UFO instead.

I don't know about them other pictures you show there. But I just wanted to clear up this painting so people aren't misunderstanding it and actually thinking its showing a UFO or something.

This was a bit off topic.. sorry about that, people.

[edit on 10-11-2005 by andpau66]

[edit on 10-11-2005 by andpau66]

andpau66, good point there!

This still doesn't disproof the accounts of Ezekiel, the Indian Vimana and the likes...

This is an interesting concept I've played with it before but never realy thought about telling people, I supose it would explain an awful lot.

This is the most absurd idea I have ever heard, not to offend anyone, but time travel is impossible.

Awesome thread! Might I recommend a book that talks about this idea. It is Visitors from Time by Marc Davenport. I'm not sure if it is out of print or not but I know there is a copy on Ebay right now for sale. No I am not promoting the auction or Ebay....just that the book is a great read and covers this idea. According to modern particle physicists like Michio Kaku, time travel is conceivable except we don't have the technical knowledge now to create a powerful enough enegy source to achieve it.
Who's to say in 100, 1000, or 10,000 years from now we may or do have it....depending on who's persepctive you take. Remember folks it wasn't all that long ago that airplanes, submarines, and flights to the moon were fantasy. Our science fiction/fantasy now... may be some future society's science fact.

Originally posted by andpau66
I don't know about them other pictures you show there. But I just wanted to clear up this painting so people aren't misunderstanding it and actually thinking its showing a UFO or something.

Ah, thanks for clearing that one up. I just grabbed a handful of 'UFO' paintings and thought that was one of the better looking ones.

Originally posted by astro1
not to offend anyone, but time travel is impossible.

Space travel of vast distances (1500 light years) is?

I see this is your first post here. Welcome to ATS and ATS Skunk Works.

Originally posted by warpfactor9
Awesome thread! Might I recommend a book that talks about this idea. It is Visitors from Time by Marc Davenport.

Thanks, I'm going to try and get a copy of that book.

i wish i had joined this post alot sooner.

Now i agree that greys are not from another planet or world because of the fact that they are so similar to our own race.

A race doesn't need to inhabit a world that has water, oxygen and to be honest even gravity. Races evolve on what they have around. For example beings to be similar in appearance they would need to have the same or even similar gravitational pull on their world, and gravitation would effect how far a species can evolve. The races would also be formed from the elements that our of their world, this would be another reason why they would be different from us as it would signifcantly change the appearance of the being.

just my two cents.

Please feel free to correct me if im wrong... of which i normally am lol

Better late than never wyatt43.

Originally posted by wyatt43
A race doesn't need to inhabit a world that has water, oxygen and to be honest even gravity. Races evolve on what they have around.

Really we don't know what is required for life. Our definition of life may even change as we venture out into the cosmos.

To me it seems that a food source and water is important for life. All life on Earth is really just bags of food and water searching out to consume more food and water.

[edit on 12/11/2005 by Umbrax]

Originally posted by astro1
This is the most absurd idea I have ever heard, not to offend anyone, but time travel is impossible.

No offence but alot of Professors of Theoretical Physics disagree with you on that. Einstein's Theory of Relativity clearly allows for time travel, or at least discrepancies in perceived time. This is because time is relative to speed which gives us the effect known as "time dilation". Traveling near light speed time would slow down so much 20 years to you could be 300,000 years for everyone eles. So using the proven effect of time dilation you could travel into the far future.

But I assume your talking about backwards time travel.

And theres indeed considerable theoretical evidence for backwards time travel. Look on the internet theres many ways in theory atleast it can be Done, Wormholes It may be extremely difficult to put into practice; but it is not impossible atleast many of our best Theoretical Physicsists are not willing to rule it out.

But if you would know better then some of your best Theoretical Physicsists you better give them a call.

science.howstuffworks.com...

Another attribute that the Greys have been reported to have is telepathic ability.


Whether or not you believe we currently have telepathic ability this web site explains how we might develop telepathy in our future.

Basically the proses begins with how we communicate with our electronic devices.

Here is a quote from the web site, but you really need to read the whole page to get the authors theory.

www.vexen.co.uk...

He always has with him a LCD screen that he can convey messages to selecting letters via the headset - as he gets used to the software he can set up specialist instructions and shortcuts to carry out word and letter combinations. He could also use graphics software to draw images. He could select an option "Text", "Drawing", "Settings" and proceed to operate the software.

A worthwhile continuation is to let two people communicate with each other directly using the software as an interface - they would both be using the same software and therefore the same commands.

The extrapolation of this is obvious, both people are thinking in exactly the same way, using exactly the same commands and syntactic structures, which does not occur naturally in people. All people normally think using entirely different index and reference systems - i.e., one thing is one persons brain when transferred to another brain points to entirely different objects. The software develops within people's minds specific patterns of thought that are the same in every person who used the software.

Without the software the communication would still be difficult, because the people would not be trained enough to be able to understand the messages in the same way that the software can.

I have been working on this theory a bit lately and was toying with the idea of greys being the color we would become after all the races melded into one. Too simplistic maybe but red man yellow man, blacck man etc all cross bred would end up in a grey race?

On the topic of telepathy:
It may be a hoax, but I remember hearing a long time ago that Soviet scientists did human guinea pig experiments on how the Human brain worked and in the process stumbled across psychic powers by activating a sector of the brain via electronic stimulation. The subject died only a few days later.
Whether or not this story is true there is a portion of the brain some scientists call the God center, could it be that by stimulating it into activity, we might not develop psychic powers?
Just a thought. Maybe alien races such as the Greys (if they really are aliens or transdimensional beigns, or whatever) have the ability to use all of their brains rather than just a small percentage of it.
Oh and a second thought.
I am a Christian (yes flame me) and I am thouroughly sick to death of every "Christian" calling aliens fallen angels or demons. It makes followers of Jesus look scientifically illiterrate.
Sorry if theres lots of misspellings, I type really fast and don't proof read.

i have grey eyes. does this make me a 'grey'?

Originally posted by SpecAgentDW
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It may be a hoax, but I remember hearing a long time ago that Soviet scientists did human guinea pig experiments on how the Human brain worked and in the process stumbled across psychic powers by activating a sector of the brain via electronic stimulation.
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Much of these tales were misinformation from the cold war, but who knows.

Originally posted by BelowBottomKnown
i have grey eyes. does this make me a 'grey'?

No.
TinWiki:Greys

Seems more plausible to me than little men from outer space.

It would explain the 'no contact' problem in the UFOs debate. IF they were advanced alien beings what problem would they have with contacting us? We couldn't do squat to them.

If, in fact, they are time travelers or from a different dimension, the whole idea of 'breaking' time by messing with the past could very well make them as elusive as they are.

The abduction phenomenon could be explained by recovery of lost knowledge in the future, as 'grays' tend to have lost alot of humanity's 'strengths' (eg height, muscular build).

Umbrax, I know I am a little late coming into here, but I thought it prudent to throw in my take.

We all are very familiar with the popular versions of these creatures, and theories abound. But those ignorant fundamentalist Christians may be closer than you or I realize.

I came to this conclusion when I observed the behavioral pattern is more like unto a nocturnal being than one of daylight. Add to this the possibility that the fittest to survive may very well be our own creations, the machines.

In our far future our machines may outrace us with proliferation and adaptability, and there is no reason to doubt that some high civilization elsewhere in our galaxy mastered such a technology in the remote past and created a race of machines-your "grays" as they are known.

And since they have no soul, ever since they found us they have been following us and studying us in hopes to grasp the meaning of what it is to be alive, and a way to make it happen for themselves.

These beings, the grays, are second class citizens of the Universe, and in a more poetic sense, they are the hosts of Mordor. They cannot inhabit the world of daylight or they will be exterminated. Much as the body fights a foreign intruder, the environment itself will evolve new enemies which will contain, control, and eventually eliminate the intruders. And they in turn will fight to survive, so perpetual war is the result.

That is, if we assume survival is more fundamental than biological sentience.

I don't know what Steve meant when he claimed he was privy to evidence they are from Zeta Reticuli, unless it is a large contingency of them there. It would only make sense in this regard.

I am...sorry to be extra late in this debate.

Ok lets start it up.
I will tackle the different races of humans from the future first. Major ones are the Greys, Nordics, and Reptilians.
Ok Sometimes it is reported that the Nordics (look like caucasian males) are giving orders to the Greys. Perfect accepters of the genetic manipulation in the future or Perfect cross breeds put in charge, idk.
They are however seen working with the Greys. The Reptilians, the more agressive of the three, I have no clue how they work with the other two races of humans. The reptilians have been seen throughout history manipulating governments and posing as false gods. They are power hungry and there genes have been dominated by that reptilian instinct to be the strongest and most powerful. Ok so we now see the Nordics to have gotten the most benifit from genetic Manipulations and the Reptilians have been, of course, identified as reptiles who are agressive and dominating. Where does that leave the Greys? Well they are uniform, precise, and organized in their work. They are efficient and get the job done quickly. In "Fire in the Sky" it was stated that they were extremely powerful even though they were small in stature. We cannot forget those big black eyes...what creatures on this planet are organized, small but strong, and have weird large eyes? Insects. They Greys seem to be the human insect hybrid. Further proof? Mothman for instense. During the Mothman incidents UFO's and the men in black where seen in the area. Coincidence or facts coming together?
ok so we covered what they are or might be.
Reason for the Lying to Betty and Barney. Would you blow a mission that possibly involved the survival of the human race? Furthermore would you not have records of the Betty&Barney abduction incident and moreover an understanding of how easy the public in the 20th and 21st century would believe that you were aliens. We seem to be forgetting that they are from the future, they will have studied tha past and will know how they MUST interact with us. Pointing to that star system on the star map was just a way of making their story more credible.
More proof: Think about the Hindu gods, beings with many arms and or animal parts. Genetic Splicing maybe? The Veda's depected the gods using flying disks that shot beams that could make Elephants explode into flames. Defecters of criminals wanting praise and power?
More Proof: The illuminati and the truthism people worship the Reptillians, who they claim control the governments. It would be just like a Human to desire some sort of control, and just like a Reptile to do it in a way that isnt the most covert.
And as for the English issue, get over yourself these beings are genetically manipulated and therefore not having to be from 10000 yrs plus from now, shoot...they could be only a few hundred years away from us. We dont know. What is known is ET human contact would make no sense if you knew anything about European Native American interaction(is making reference to diseases) Plus you HAVE tioevolve on a planet to safely interact with the species on that planet. Micro-organisms passed back and forth would probably kill one another.
Reasons for the change? Advancement is key. But there could have been a disease or a new bio-weapon, or extreme Nuclear war, whatever the reason we do know that in abduction cases the Greys focus on the genital area of the humans they abduct. Something is being fixed in the future using material from the past. So hey, if you get abducted try not to be scared, know that you are a parent to all in the future, you are a Hero, lol.

Anyways probably got off topic a whole lot. I am sorry, I was just late and had so much to say. Still I orobably could have done a better job staying on topic and not jumping from one thing to another.

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I have had an experience with these beings and believe what you are saying is definately the truth! They are time and interdimensional travellers and are us from the future, this is why they are top secret because if they were acknowledged it would interupt the time space continueum, and may harm there own existence. Just say if people had word that this was what they would eventually evolve into, there would be mass suicides and genocide, and a massive upheaval to change this horrible prediction, in which it would change the time space continueum and fate of the greys, thus all the secrecy. They have power in the governments of the world, controling everything from media to consumer products, especially our technology advancements, releasing technologies slowly, to create diversions for modern man to evolve at a rate suitable for there own existence. i beleive something will cause an apocalyptic change that will drive humans underground and change our physical being likening us to the greys. Large darkened eyes to see with decreped grey bodies due to lack of sunlighht and sensitivity to uv. Due to this apocalyptic change. Who do you think will survive this apocalyptic change? High goverment officials and peoples, in underground bases, and a those in positions that will benefit our race such as scientists and the elite of the worlds unique population. Anyways what can be done to prevent this? it is up to you, and everyone of us to prevent this, but how can you prevent the inevitable? This isnt TOP SECRET for nothing!!!

they are from earth. The great con and cover up, they are a species that evolve in caves very deep in the earth. Just look at them, thier eyes are large with destinctive pupils, thier fingers are long and thin. Look at the abductions why do think they occur at night. They are grey, no melinin in thief flesh this is why they are grey