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reply posted on 9-12-2005 @ 07:33 PM by LoneGunMan
Originally posted by FatherLukeDuke
Originally posted by LoneGunMan
Look at the time this strange person put into this post. Then asks me if I ever though it was my state of mind that was different!

I don't know how quickly you type LGM, but I'm pretty fast. That post took me 3 mins to knock together - I only typed about 6 or 7 lines. Maybe it takes you a few hours to put something like together, I don't know.

And this is always how it ends up isn't it? OTS, Howard et al provide scientific evidence, dissect arguments and apply critical thinking. You can just say "I've seen strange things in the sky", like that represents some kind of cogent theory. Then, without fail, you run out of anything to add on the subject and just resort to name calling - this time referring to me as "strange" - which I must say is rich coming from you.

Have you got any evidence that the contrails we see in the sky every day are in fact full of noxious chemicals and that there is some kind of giant ongoing conspiricy?


I bet you dont have many friends in RL do you? Did I ever mention conspiracy when it comes to the chemtrail issue. How do you expect me to apply scientific evidence to something that mimicks contrails and weather patterns? I can only give my eye witness testimony. I can tell you it is starting to show up in the mainstream media see link

Anyway I know when something that I have been a witness to has changed, and the sky has changed a lot where I live, but only in the fall, winter and spring. The summer is completly absent of jet traffic here. People like you luke, think people like myself are seeing contrails and cirrus clouds and are getting paraniod. I cant afford to be a paranoid, I can only be very observent to things that change. Its my job. So Luke you can take your attitude and live with it, I'm just glad I am not like you.



reply posted on 18-12-2005 @ 05:21 PM by hollyjo
well, i'm coming into this topic very late, and no, i haven't read all the pages to it, but.. i'm still gonna put my two cents in.

i live in kentucky.. southcentral, almost on (well 15 mi from) the tenn. line.
..the closest airports, large ones, are both about 3hrs away.. one in nashville, and one in louisville..


.. i stumbled onto a page about chemtrails a couple years ago, and since then, have been watching the sky, not really defining what i think they are, etc..

but now, after watching them for so long, ... i'm really believing the whole chemtrail thing..

it's odd.. before 9/11, we NEVER had planes fly over.. or if they did, they were big jets, flying so high up you could barely see them, and the trails they left faded within minutes, or..spread out within minutes.
..since 9/11, we see alot of planes, or atleast alot more than we used to fly overhead.. you know, that made sense to me.. seeing more planes after 9/11..
but what doesn't make sense are all the lower planes flying, and the trails they leave that take way longer to spread out, and when they do spread ...it's much denser/thicker than they used to be..
..everyday the weather is good, and in the morning-mid-afternoon the sky is the most beautiful blue..with normal looking clouds..
and everday driving home from work, after watching the sky fill up with these trails through the windows at work, on the way home it's amazing how the sky is always COVERED in clouds by 3-4pm... everyday it starts out blue, it never stays that way.. complete coverage. sometimes i can see blue off in the distance, sometimes not.. everday.
this is not normal to me.

the sheer amount of the trails..i don't see how it can be normal air traffic.. not the numbers of them, mixed with the patters they're in... large X's all across the sky, large grids...etc. that in no way seems normal to me....it's an everyday thing..
and i miss the blue skies driving home..


reply posted on 19-12-2005 @ 09:28 AM by HowardRoark
Originally posted by hollyjo
the sheer amount of the trails..i don't see how it can be normal air traffic.. not the numbers of them, mixed with the patters they're in... large X's all across the sky, large grids...etc. that in no way seems normal to me....it's an everyday thing..
and i miss the blue skies driving home..



So. . . . If two planes fly on intersecting flight paths, so that the contrails form an “X,” that is not normal right?

Therefore only parallel flight paths are normal. But wait, “grids” of parallel lines are not normal either. . . . .

So what is a normal flight path for a commercial air line?

How do airlines fly one flight from say Chicago to Atlanta, and another from Pittsburgh to St. Louis without the two flight paths intersecting?

What about this?

Suppose there are 10 flights from Minneapolis to Houston, (north to south) one every 15 minutes by different airlines and air freight companies. The planes follow the exact same route over the ground for each flight. The atmospheric conditions are such that air mass through which all the planes fly is supersaturated with respect to ice. Thus each plane leaves a persistent contrail. If the air mass were totally stationary, each plane would be flying though the contrails left by the previous planes.

However, if the air mass were moving from west to east at a speed of 20 miles per hour, the previous contrail would have moved off to the east by 5 miles by the time the next plane arrived on the flight track.

What would this look like? A series of parallel lines, of course.

Air Traffic Growth






Try this link, let me know if it works:
www.hq.nasa.gov...


reply posted on 19-12-2005 @ 11:53 AM by LoneGunMan
Originally posted by HowardRoark
However, if the air mass were moving from west to east at a speed of 20 miles per hour, the previous contrail would have moved off to the east by 5 miles by the time the next plane arrived on the flight track.

What would this look like? A series of parallel lines, of course.


What is your motivation Howard? It is not a bunch of parallel lines that I have seen. I have seen up to six jets flying in parallel very close to the point that they looked like a precision airforce team flying at an airshow. I have seen this quite a few times, never before had I ever seen jets flying in civilian airspace over a city flying in such a manner.

Its against FAA rules to fly like that over populated areas. They just do not schedual them like that.

And you chart shows an increase of about 1/3 in a ten year period. That does not make up for the huge chemtrail activity in my area.

I will tell you what they are for though. Its the same thing as the reason for snow fall in the winter. It reflects the suns energy back towards outer space and keeps the earth from warming up too much. Looks like the chemtrail operation is working also, take a look at your weather the last few years. In the northern regions we are getting snowfall like we did before the 80's. It used to snow like it has been lately every year before the 80's. Thats when I have personally noticed that every year the winters started getting warmer. Finally it got so bad we were having green winters here in Michigan throug the entire season.

The earth wasnt getting its cooling off period for that time period. If that trend were to keep going we would end up with runaway greenhouse effect. The problem is that chemtrails are more than likely not healthy for us. It is though a lot cheaper than to fix the problem through lowering emissions enough to make a difference in the weather.

Persistant contrails! What rubbish! By the way I noticed you havnt posted in a while, were you on vacation from your disinformation job with the Fed?

Oh yeah, here is that link again for the Las Vegas Tribunes report on Chemtrails. Las vegas Tribune

[edit on 19-12-2005 by LoneGunMan]


reply posted on 20-12-2005 @ 06:33 AM by FatherLukeDuke
Originally posted by LoneGunMan
Its against FAA rules to fly like that over populated areas. They just do not schedual them like that.

Then how come nobody else notices it apart from you? Are all the flight controllers in the world also in on the conspiricy? All of them?!?


And you chart shows an increase of about 1/3 in a ten year period. That does not make up for the huge chemtrail activity in my area.

But as you cannot provide any evidence why should we believe you? I don't have you down as a reliable witness.


The earth wasnt getting its cooling off period for that time period. If that trend were to keep going we would end up with runaway greenhouse effect. The problem is that chemtrails are more than likely not healthy for us. It is though a lot cheaper than to fix the problem through lowering emissions enough to make a difference in the weather.

So you are saying that because your local winter temperatures have fallen the last few years that global warming has somehow been reversed by planes spraying "chemtrails" over your city? Can you explain how this works exactly? Some science would be lovely.

Do you have any idea of the extent of spraying worldwide that would have to happen to have an effect on long term global temperatures? If it is possible at all. You mention the "runaway greenhouse" effect as it is probably an expression that you picked up off the news - but can you explain what, in this context, you actually mean by it?


Persistant contrails! What rubbish!

Howard and OTS have demonstrated time and time again, using clear and well established science, how contrails can persist indefinitely.


Oh yeah, here is that link again for the Las Vegas Tribunes report on Chemtrails. Las vegas Tribune
[edit on 19-12-2005 by LoneGunMan]


We have been over this before - it is garbage.
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