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Topic started on 5-10-2005 @ 06:52 AM by RANT
Got your state license to have a baby?

State bill would limit procreation assistance
Process would rule out homosexuals, singles
By Niki Kelly
The Journal Gazette
Ft. Wayne

INDIANAPOLIS – Gays, lesbians and single Hoosiers would be prohibited from using medical science to help have a child under a bill being considered by an interim legislative committee.

The legislation puts Indiana in the middle of a national battle over reproductive rights and promises to be contentious.

“If we’re going to try to put Indiana on the map, I wouldn’t go this route,” said Betty Cockrum, president and CEO of Planned Parenthood of Indiana. “It feels pretty chilling. It is governmental intrusion into a very private part of our lives.”

But Sen. Pat Miller, R-Indianapolis, said Indiana law currently has no regulations regarding assisted reproduction and should have similar requirements to adoption in Indiana.

“Needless to say it’s going to be enormously controversial and difficult,” she said. “Our statutes are nearly silent on all this. You can think of guidelines, but when you put it on paper it becomes different.”

Miller chairs the Health Finance Commission – a panel of lawmakers that will vote Oct. 20 on whether to recommend the legislation to the full General Assembly.

A “no” vote doesn’t preclude it from being offered in the 2006 legislative short session, which starts in January. A “yes” vote does not ensure its passage.

There are two parts to the draft legislation – the first dealing with some irregularities in central Indiana regarding surrogacy and adoptions. But the part of the bill raising eyebrows involves assisted reproduction.

It defines assisted reproduction as causing pregnancy by means other than sexual intercourse, including intrauterine insemination, donation of an egg, donation of an embryo, in vitro fertilization and transfer of an embryo, and sperm injection.

The bill then requires “intended parents” to be married to each other and specifically says an unmarried person may not be an intended parent.

A doctor can’t begin an assisted reproduction technology procedure that may result in a child’s being born until the intended parents of the child have received a certificate of satisfactory completion of an assessment required under the bill.


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I refuse to use the word "conservative" as part of the description of social "conservatives" anymore.

They're social regulators. And it's time to deregulate the Republican Party.

RESOLVED: See more recent posts at end of thread for details.
www.indystar.com.../20051005/NEWS01/51005006


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reply posted on 5-10-2005 @ 10:10 AM by RANT
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
tell me there aren't that many 'regulators' concentrated in one spot


I see you fully appreciate the intent behind the
Christian Exodus Movement.


Jesus, RANT, you sure know how to get my blood boiling!


I like the sound of that. On many levels.

Especially "Jesus Rant." Nice ring to it.

Let me who is among you without pants throw the first stone.

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reply posted on 6-10-2005 @ 07:38 AM by RANT
I wish we could follow up on every post with a solution or outcome like this.

Legislator drops controversial plan
IndyStar.com
By Mary Beth Schneider
mary.beth.schneider@indystar.com

A controversial proposed bill to prohibit gays, lesbians and single people from using medical procedures to become pregnant has been dropped by its legislative sponsor.
State Sen. Patricia Miller, R-Indianapolis, issued a one-sentence statement this afternoon saying: “The issue has become more complex than anticipated and will be withdrawn from consideration by the Health Finance Commission.”

Miller had asked that committee -- a panel of lawmakers who meet when the Indiana General Assembly is not in session to discuss possible legislation -- to recommend the bill to the full legislature when it meets in January.

Under her proposal, couples who need assistance to become pregnant -- such as through intrauterine insemination; the use of donor eggs, embryos and sperm; in vitro fertilization, embryo transfer or other medical means -- would have to be married to each other. In addition, married couples who needed donor sperm and eggs to become pregnant would be required to go through the same rigorous assessment process of their fitness to be parents as do people who adopt a child.

Miller had earlier acknowledged that the legislation would be "enormously controversial." It had already drawn fire from the Indiana Civil Liberties Union and Planned Parenthood of Indiana.


Always keep feet to the fire.



reply posted on 6-10-2005 @ 11:49 AM by paulthefourth
Originally posted by Amethyst
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic

Amethyst, if a child has a loving, caring, interested, good father (or 2), he can very well turn out to be a balanced, responsible, self-confident adult. It's the quality of the parenting not the sex of the parents that counts. Many neglected, suicide victims had 2 parents of the opposite sex.


Then read what's
here and this one here.

Quality of parenting is tied in to what gender combination you have.

Of course, if you don't believe that males and females are inherently different, and that one of each provides balance, you won't believe me anyhow.


OH MY GOD!

I read both of those links and cannot believe the lies that were being spewed from them. Or that someone would have the unmitigated GAUL to actually post them as reference.

In this day and age, I thought anyone civilized enough to have/use a computer would have advanced beyond believing that kind of garbage, and just ignored it like you'd ignore the KKK's propaganda about black people.

Both of those sites are full of hateful propaganda made for/by people that are trapped in the past - It's time to enter the 21st century.

If that's how you feel - then by all means, keep believing it - teach your kids those values - if they keep those values with them then you are sentencing your kids to a life of being judged intolerant bigots and your worries about them being in the minority will come true. Not because they were the only ones born in wedlock , but because they will be in the small group that has to sit by themselves in the cafeteria because they, as their teacher will write on their report card: "Don't get along well with others."

I'm sorry as I can be for having to say what I just said - but I can't take anymore of hearing all those statistics that say we're bad people just because we're gay - If you don't like gays, guess what - YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE ONE!!!!!!!!!!! it's not contagious - If you don't like what gays do, guess what - YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO WHAT THEY DO!!!!!!!! - Live your life the way you please, and afford me the same courtesy - Be homophobic if you want - Believe that the earth is flat if you want - Don't believe in Gravity if you don't want to, trust me, you won't fly off the face of the earth for not believing in it - BUT QUIT SPREADING YOUR LIES ABOUT GAYS!!!!!! -

Your kids won't 'turn' gay just because they hear being gay is OK - but If they are gay, imagine how tormented they will be knowing they can never come to you for support, knowing how much you'd 'hate' them for something they had no control over. Having to hide that and keep it all inside is enough to make anyone want to die.

I'm not trying to convert anyone to queerness, so quit trying to convert us into being straight. I don't want to molest your children - so quit saying we're all pedophiles. We don't all have mental problems, but if we do, its NOT because we're gay, it's because of the way we get treated just because we are.

Raise your kids like you feel is right, but don't EVER force your views of child-rearing on other people.

Any Idiot 'straight' couple can have kids, married or not, planned or not, wanted or not - but if you were infertile and WANTED children how would you feel if you had to take a test and be deemed "morally qualified" just to procreate? Try putting yourself in the underdog's place JUST FOR ONCE - PLEASE, REALLY TRY - if you don't feel just a little tug on your heartstrings - then your heart is a lost cause. Kids from parents that have to go through fertility clinics are WANTED KIDS - and how could any child that's wanted by it's parents (gay couple or straight) not be loved?

Kids learn how to love, and kids learn how to hate - - - and they usually learn both in the same place.
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