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Originally posted by resistance
Shanty -- My gripe is not with the teachers. The teachers are hired to do a job, and they do the job the way they are taught to do it and with the materials and agenda they are given to promote. If they want to eat, they conform.
My gripe is with government schools, period. As you say, whose world view is going to be promoted in the schools? Some years ago it was the Christian, patriotic American point of view. Now it's Groupthink, down with America, down with Christians, up with atheism, up with globalism, up with Everybody's Right, Nobody's Wrong, Let's Just Get Along, and Tolerance of Intolerance Will Not Be Tolerated.
The system corrupts everyone -- teachers and students alike. And it's not fair to make those who have opted out have to pay for this indoctrination which teaches other people's kids to hate what we love and to love what we hate. This is contrary to the Constitution, and the Constitution never meant for the government to raise our kids or educate them. The answer is for parents to take their kids out of these schools, build their own schools, and hire their own teachers who will promote the world views the parents want promoted.
Rausch -- I'm not trying to force you to conform to my opinions. How could I do that? But if you are willing to read what I say then you take the risk of becoming persuaded to my point of view because obviously that's what I'm trying to do -- convince and persuade. If I can do that, I'm happy. That's really why I'm here. Especially being in a tiny minority as you so correctly point out, I see ATS as a small opening for me to speak up. The day is soon coming when nobody will be able to speak up IMO. In fact, the Senate is about to ratify "hate" legislation which will shut the mouths of even pastors in their own churches from preaching what the Bible has to say about things like abortion or homosexuality.
[edit on 16-10-2005 by resistance]
Originally posted by resistance
I think the first thing you need to do is take a remedial reading class yourself.
Originally posted by resistance
I DID NOT SAY teachers DON'T teach responsibility. I said THEY ARE NOT TRAINED to do so.
Originally posted by Jeremiah25
Some of us have not been indoctrinated by Government schooling, since we went to religious schools. We have also not been brainwashed or taught to do any of the things you have claimed at a tertiary level.
Originally posted by resistance
How can they do that when people like you have drummed it into their heads for years that their opinions aren't any better than anybody else's, and to be careful not to offend anybody? Gimme a break! Talk is cheap.
Originally posted by resistance
If it's anything like in this country you pretend God doesn't exist, you deliberately skip over mention of God, and you redefine the holidays so no mention is made of any Christian holiday. It's okay to get out for Hannukah or Ramadin but it's Winter Vacation, not Christmas vacation, and it's spring break, not Easter break. I could say more, lots more.
Originally posted by resistance
You said you don't give a raip about what people think about abortion or homosexuality. This is called "amoral," or no morals. Look it up. You are bragging about the fact that you have no morals except that of so-called "tolerance," which isn't even that because you in fact have no tolerance for people like me who have strong views about morality.
Originally posted by resistance
That's nonsense. I don't live on the moon. I went to teacher's college myself. I see what's going on.
Originally posted by resistance
See below. This is you. This is the nonsense you advocate. Why? Because you've been taught to do this, and you are a good, compliant group-thinker yourself.
Originally posted by resistance
Yes, I do think my opinion is "worth" more than yours is. Anybody that doesn't know what they believe or value what they believe and have confidence in what they believe is just a mushball lemming.
Originally posted by Jeremiah25
I do know what I believe: drugs=bad, underage sex=very bad, unprotected sex=very bad, abortion=fine, homosexuality=fine.
You make my point very well in your above paragraph. Your belief and what you try to teach your students with all earnestness and determination is that everybody's right, nobody's wrong, and let's just get along. If I had my way you would not be allowed to teach this nihilistic amoral philosophy to anyone's child anyplace on this planet.
Originally posted by resistance
Maybe down the road something I've said here will strike some cord and you'll get what I've been trying to say.
Currently there is nothing in what your saying contray to the constitution. There is no constitutional right that says "A person should not have to pay a tax for something he or she does not use" its a state tax, its a deal with it situation. Even Moreso, your belief in that the schools are brainwashing kids into being atheists is moot due to the simple fact of the first amendment. Freedom of Religion and the Establishment clause. In a world of sue-happy people, there has yet to be one law suit case against this, why, because it doesnt exist. Theres no atheist agenda here. Maybe if you really deem education so offensive, you should just round everybody up, and form a quaker-esque community where you make your own schools and live outside the realm of public school taxation.
DS had to take the psat today (it is given once a year--in the "junior" year of hs it counts for alot of the big $ scholarships). It must be taken at a traditional school and I ate major dirt dealing with our public high school to get him allowed to take it. He was expecting to feel like odd man out with all the other students commiserating w/ their friends over having to take the test and sharing their nervousness. Instead he says he met the most unemotional, most detached group of people he has been among. According to him he never heard the voices of the other students from the moment they entered the room. He attempted to make small talk before the test proctor came in but was met w/ shrugs and nods. When the test was over the proctor announced they would stay there until the regular time to switch classes came. DS pulled out a book but said that the rest of the students just sat there mutely staring ahead or into their laps.
DS had to take the psat today (it is given once a year--in the "junior" year of hs it counts for alot of the big $ scholarships). It must be taken at a traditional school and I ate major dirt dealing with our public high school to get him allowed to take it. He was expecting to feel like odd man out with all the other students commiserating w/ their friends over having to take the test and sharing their nervousness. Instead he says he met the most unemotional, most detached group of people he has been among. According to him he never heard the voices of the other students from the moment they entered the room. He attempted to make small talk before the test proctor came in but was met w/ shrugs and nods. When the test was over the proctor announced they would stay there until the regular time to switch classes came. DS pulled out a book but said that the rest of the students just sat there mutely staring ahead or into their laps.
Originally posted by Mystery_Lady
For all of the teachers on this thread, I want to know your opnions of what is happening with the quote below. My husband and I both agree that this sounds like a good start to a horror story. Why are the public school students acting that way? The quote of from the about.com homeschooling forum. I think you will be able to view, since I'm viewing it as a guest.
forums.about.com... sn=1&tid=9829&webtag=ab-homeschool
DS had to take the psat today (it is given once a year--in the "junior" year of hs it counts for alot of the big $ scholarships). It must be taken at a traditional school and I ate major dirt dealing with our public high school to get him allowed to take it. He was expecting to feel like odd man out with all the other students commiserating w/ their friends over having to take the test and sharing their nervousness. Instead he says he met the most unemotional, most detached group of people he has been among. According to him he never heard the voices of the other students from the moment they entered the room. He attempted to make small talk before the test proctor came in but was met w/ shrugs and nods. When the test was over the proctor announced they would stay there until the regular time to switch classes came. DS pulled out a book but said that the rest of the students just sat there mutely staring ahead or into their laps.
Originally posted by resistance
And government school teachers give me the creeps, kinda like psychiatrists give me the creeps and some other establishment types. The Bible says, What man highly esteems God sees as an abomination. Well, I have to say, I agree with God on this. I sure do. I would go and become an Amish, but then I couldn't witness. Otherwise I sure enough would want to drop out of this craziness.
Get my drift?
Originally posted by resistance
I've decided we're ALL brainwashed! But certainly the kids indoctrinated in the government schools are more so. We are about to enter into the NWO. The plans are laid and ready to go. It will unfold very quickly. We have many people who think it will be a very good thing to eliminate a large proportion of the population in order to save the whales, save the trees, save the whatever. These same people have been brought up on the idea that it's a good thing to kill babies to solve problems (abortion). They are already primed to accept euthanasia if they're not already active proponents of it.
We are surrounded by brainwashed zealots who also think Christians are the main cause of what's wrong in the world today (actually we're to blame for most of what's RIGHT) -- but that's okay.
So when the police state comes and everybody is turning everybody else in, who do you think will be at the front lines to bring in the NWO? The ones who were trained in the government schools -- who else?
And government school teachers give me the creeps, kinda like psychiatrists give me the creeps and some other establishment types. The Bible says, What man highly esteems God sees as an abomination. Well, I have to say, I agree with God on this. I sure do. I would go and become an Amish, but then I couldn't witness. Otherwise I sure enough would want to drop out of this craziness.
Get my drift?
Originally posted by ketoes13
Have you ever noticed that when you learn about government, that teachers always teach you about the american government first. Ever since preschool, teachers have drilled into my mind that our government is the best. only after 13 years of school do they even begin to teach you about foreign governments.
does anyone else here realise this?
[edit on 22-9-2005 by ketoes13]