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Originally posted by Cilandak
Some intelligence guys in a car get in a jam with some Iraqi police who are in bed with the Mahdi army and try to shoot their way out of trouble, they are captured and, under the terms of the occupation, should be handed over to the British Army who would then investigate and prosecute. Those are the rules.
Originally posted by Zaphod58
Darren Moss, denied that British troops were fighting Basra police.
Originally posted by Zaphod58
the police drove through the city inciting a riot.
Originally posted by redmage
Originally posted by Cilandak
Some intelligence guys in a car get in a jam with some Iraqi police who are in bed with the Mahdi army and try to shoot their way out of trouble, they are captured and, under the terms of the occupation, should be handed over to the British Army who would then investigate and prosecute. Those are the rules.
THE RULES!!!! On the contrary, check guantanamo, no uniform = enemy combatant thus fourth "the rules" do not apply to the two.
Originally posted by deltaboy
do Iraqi police hand over coalition forces to militias as standard practice? just askin.....
Originally posted by deltaboy
do Iraqi police hand over coalition forces to militias as standard practice? just askin.....
Originally posted by ArchAngel
Wouldn't that make them Enemy Combatants since they were not wearing their uniforms?
They were on an approved operation from their superiors
from teh jail break article:
Mohammed al Waili, the governor of the province, said the British raid was "barbaric, savage and irresponsible".
paperplane_uk
and both sides are trying to spin the news
ignorant_ape
the alledged " vehicle full of weapons and explosices " has not been produced
zaphod58
Personally I think this was an intel operation gone bad.
cilandak
The two intelligence types should have been handed over to British Authorities, those are the terms of the occupation.
Tehran maybe
ultron
After troops broke into the police station to confirm the men were not there, they staged a rescue from a house in Basra, said the commanding officer of 12 Mechanised Brigade in Basra.
devilwasp
Mabye you didnt notice the fact that they handed them over to militia forces?
Originally posted by redmage
Is coalition forces opening fire in arab attire standard practice? just askin.....
Originally posted by ArchAngel
www.prisonplanet.com...
This has all the indications of a frame up.
This is made all the more interesting by the fact that early reports cited as originating from BBC World Service radio stated that the car used contained explosives. Was this another staged car bombing intended to keep tensions high? As you will discover later, the plan to keep Iraq divided and in turmoil is an actual policy directive that spans back over two decades.
Originally posted by deltaboy
not if the SAS realize the Iraqi "police" are taking them hostages as bargaining tool to release some of their own militia leaders.
Basra drama - how events unfolded
Monday brought high drama in Basra, with the arrest of two soldiers, the storming by UK forces of the police station where they were held and their final rescue from the hands of militants.
It was also a day of confusion, with a succession of fast-moving events and conflicting reports.
BBC News Online traces the sequence of events as they unfolded.
Tensions were already high in Basra on Monday morning following the detention on Sunday of a senior figure in the Shia Mehdi Army, suspected of being behind a series of attacks on British troops.
Then two British soldiers, reportedly dressed as Arabs and driving a civilian car, attracted the notice of police at a checkpoint.
According to the Iraqi authorities they refused to stop, instead allegedly firing at the officers, killing one and wounding another. This has not been confirmed by the Ministry of Defence.
After allegedly declining to reveal their mission, the men were arrested and taken to the main Basra police station.
Basra officials said the men were working under cover, which the Ministry of Defence has not confirmed.
After learning of their arrest, the British military requested that they be handed over to coalition forces in accordance with agreed procedures.
The Iraqi government in Baghdad apparently agreed and ordered the handover, but this seems to have been disregarded by the police.
With fears for the prisoners' safety mounting, British troops surrounded the police station, setting up a cordon.
Iraqi demonstrators also started to gather, demanding the soldiers be kept in detention and sent to jail. Violent clashes broke out.
The troops were pelted with stones and petrol bombs, attacked with rockets and their armoured vehicles were set alight, forcing them to withdraw.
Photographs and video footage showing soldiers having to jump clear of the burning vehicles, one with his uniform ablaze, shocked viewers back in the UK.
Three soldiers were injured in the clashes - none seriously - and two civilians reportedly killed.
Iraqi police released pictures of two bearded men in seemingly bloodstained clothes - one with a bandaged head - who they said were the captured soldiers.
At 1630 BST, the British government issued a request that the faces of the two men be disguised by news outlets.
But they continued to refuse to comment on claims the men were special forces or working under cover, saying only that they were negotiating with the Iraqi authorities for their release.
Later, witnesses and Iraqi officials reported that British forces had used tanks to smash down a wall at the police station to free the arrested troops in a dramatic rescue.
The Iraqi governor of Basra, Mohammed al-Waili, condemned the action as "barbaric, savage and irresponsible".
Reports that as many as 150 Iraqi prisoners had also been freed were later denied by British and Basra authorities.
The British Embassy in Iraq confirmed the men had been freed and taken into British custody but gave no details of how this had been achieved.
But the MoD denied any knowledge of the police station being stormed, saying it understood the release had been negotiated.
It was not until a few hours later that the department admitted a wall at the police station had been accidentally demolished as troops tried to "collect" the captives, whose release had been negotiated with Iraqi authorities.
A spokesman said British troops had intervened after reports that militants had tried to spirit the men away as they were due to be released.
Finally, early on Tuesday morning, another version of events emerged.
Brigadier John Lorimer, commanding officer of 12 Mechanised Brigade in Basra, said he ordered troops to storm the police station after being told the prisoners had been handed to "militia elements".
The MoD said an armoured vehicle had been used to break down a section of the compound wall so troops could enter.
A search of the building confirmed they were not there.
It is understood local police finally revealed their location at gunpoint, though no shots were said to have been fired.
The pair were eventually discovered in a house in Basra and rescued by troops.
The men were said to be in good health, but the incident has sparked concerns for the state of relations between British forces in Basra and the local police.
It has also raised questions about links between sections of the Basra police and the Mehdi Army militants.
Source BBC
Originally posted by redmage
And where are the facts to support that they were "bargaining chips".
This is your oppinion not the facts.
An Iraqi member of parliament, Ali Dabagh, said the Shiite militiamen from the Mehdi Army had attempted to take the British soldiers hostage to exchange them for two militia leaders arrested on Sunday by British forces in the town.