NEWS: Iran Throws Down Gauntlet in Nuclear Row

In a fiery Global Summit speech, President Ahmadinejad accused the United States of having a hypocritical stance towards Iran. He has sought justification to develop nuclear technologies by seeking to point out the violations committed by the US towards global nuclear treaties. Ahmadinejad also insisted that the Non-Proliferation Treaty gave every signatory the right a make nuclear fuel and Iran will pursue these technologies for peaceful purposes.



The rhetoric is racheting up at the UN lately and leads me to think something is about to blow. Hugo Chavez laid in a barrage against the US, and now Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is following the trend.

What may come out of all these heated words at the UN meeting is still anyones guess.

How about you?

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[edit on 17-9-2005 by Regenmacher]

Wow, having a platform that cant be censored in the West. Im sure that irks some of our 'elected representatives'. Its hard to put spin on something that comes straight from the horses mouth to the Worlds media.

I dont think its a secret that I agree with the Iranian President on this issue.

Bolton and Condi must be locked up together this weekend deciding their strategy--with Rummy barking orders from the side?

Not a reason in the world ANY country can't have energy nuclear power to make life a little better all around. So we showed them the way to use it for force also.

Who's the cause of that?

Update:



Things are really starting to come to a head it seems. Let's just pray we do't have another Iraq or worse on the way.

Thanks wecomeinpeace, that's like icing on the proverbial nuclear cake.

These so-called rogue nations are banding together it seems and considering Iran and Venuzuela control a large percentage of oil resources, the global economy is at stake. I wonder when Israel is going to speak up since they are under the biggest threat of total annihilation?

I'll leave you with a Dickens quote:
"It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness . . ."

[edit on 18-9-2005 by Regenmacher]

As for Israel speaking up, well they are doing plenty of speaking through their proxy government.

In answer to your Dickens, I have an ancient Chinese curse:

May you live in interesting times.

Any truth to this part of his apparent statement:

"Ahmadinejad also insisted that the Non-Proliferation Treaty gave every signatory the right a make nuclear fuel and Iran will pursue these technologies for peaceful purposes".

Can they do it according to the treaty people?

Dallas

EDIT: Thanks for that Stumason..


[edit on 18-9-2005 by Dallas]

Yeah plenty theorists say Isreal wags the big dog's tale and the amount of aid the US spends supporting Tel Aviv would indicate that could be true.

Let's hope cooler heads prevail under the breath of that chinese curse.

I also expect old Jong to bark soon, but for now:



[edit on 18-9-2005 by Regenmacher]

Originally posted by Dallas
Any truth to this part of his apparent statement:

"Ahmadinejad also insisted that the Non-Proliferation Treaty gave every signatory the right a make nuclear fuel and Iran will pursue these technologies for peaceful purposes".

Can they do it according to the treaty people?

Dallas

Yes, very much so. The NPT is designed to prevent the spread of Nuclear weapons and allows any nation the right to develop it's own Civil Nuclear power program including the fuel cycle. Without which, Iran would still be under the yolk of the west, who would have to supply the fuel.

Ever heard the saying," isn't so funny when the rabbit has the gun"?

Yeah, I have heard of it before, SpittinCobra.
I have also heard that a dog does not continue to bark for no reason.

As such, Iran is stating this and that, threatening and warning this and that, when if they had nothing to hide or were not planning on acquiring nuclear weapons, they would not be barking as they are.

Iran comes down on the US and EU because the before mentions think and feel [and rightly so] that Iran is not going to use nuclear energy just for peaceful intentions, but to also acquire nuclear weapon capabilities. Iran then warns the IAEA over the proposed Security Council referral. Now, with all that slamming and criticism of US and Western nuclear hypocrisy, the warnings of not taking this matter to the UN Security Council, one has to wonder why Iran is doing all the barking that it is doing! If the dog, so to speak, did not have a reason to bark, then why is Iran doing alot of barking over this matter? Think about it, because Iran is not seeking peaceful use of nuclear energy only, they are also seeking it to acquire nuclear weapon capabilities, hence Iran doing alot of barking and warning.

The issue with the US, the EU, the Russians, is not that Iran should have peaceful use of nuclear energy, it is over Iran's continued methodical clandestine and secretive programs taking that peaceful use of nuclear energy and seeking to acquire nuclear weapon capabilities from that peaceful nuclear energy use.

According to the logic of most of you, every nation should have access to peaceful use of nuclear energy and have the ability to build nuclear weapons from those peaceful use programs. Hence the coming about of the NPT. Every country should have access to peaceful use nuclear energy, but not every nation should have the abilities or rights to use such a peaceful nuclear energy use programs to build and acquire nuclear weapon capability [hence the theory of regional or global disstabilization, etc].

Iran is simply spouting semantics to cover the fact that the US, the EU, and the Russians are onto their game. They profess peaceful intentions and use, all the while, indicating that they seek to acquire nuclear weapon capabilities. Again, in this world today, every nation should have the right to acquire or build nuclear weapons from their peaceful intended nuclear energy programs, correct?







seekerof

[edit on 18-9-2005 by Seekerof]

In an unyielding speech to the General Assembly seeking to turn the tables on Western powers that suspect Tehran of secretly trying to develop a bomb, Ahmadinejad accused the United States of violating global nuclear treaties.

As I recall, the US has violated almost every global treaty, international law, and agreement on the books - not just nuclear treaties.

Looks to me like South America, China, and Russia are defending government by the people for the people, against corporatism as the global world government.

Thanks guys. We need all the help we can get.

as posted by soficrow
As I recall, the US has violated almost every global treaty, international law, and agreement on the books - not just nuclear treaties.

Incidentally, last I recalled, Russia had violated "almost every global treaty, international law, and agreement on the books - not just nuclear treaties." Your point?

The only reason that Russia appears to be defending Iran is merely because Iran is huge money pot for Russian military hardware, etc.
Russia does not want Iran with nuclear capabilities, though you portray Russia as being the "defender" of Iran, all the while, believing that Iran intends to only use nuclear energy for peaceful purposes and intents. I assume that you likewise believe that every nation should have equal right and ability to acquire nuclear weapon capabilities?

Iran is not fooling anyone, not even the Russians, but those, such as yourself and others, who make the choice to believe that Iran only wants nuclear energy for peaceful purposes or intentions, when all indications are that they are seeking it for other implications and intentions.
I mean gee, if I was the leader of Iran, why would I admit to the UN or world that my country is seeking nuclear weapons capabilities, when I can use the NPT and simply claim that my country merely wants equal access and right to nuclear energy for peaceful purposes and intentions, and has no intentions to acquire nuclear weapons capabilities from that peaceful use nuclear program?

Ask Putin if he believes what Iran is saying....





seekerof

[edit on 18-9-2005 by Seekerof]

Originally posted by Seekerof

... you portray Russia as being the "defender" of Iran,

You misunderstand me. I said,

Looks to me like South America, China, and Russia are defending government by the people for the people, against corporatism as the global world government.

To clarify - the US government is rapidly dismantling democracy in the USA, from Constitutional and Civil Rights, through to bankruptcy protections for ordinary people, and positioning to establish military rule under Homeland Security and NorthCom.

I think democracy's survival as a form of government depends on the actions of South America, China, and Russia.


...Funny how things work out sometimes, isn't it?

Originally posted by Seekerof
Again, in this world today, every nation should have the right to acquire or build nuclear weapons from their peaceful intended nuclear energy programs, correct?

Sounds nice on paper, but uncorking the nuke genie for the whole world is like throwing a basket of cobras into a schoolyard. Do we really want to PC'fy nuclear technology too?

I will presume Iran is seeking at all costs to develop nuclear weapons and reduce the threat of a Western invasion, and Ahmadinejad is blowing smoke about peaceful nuclear technology pursuits.

So here we are again, trying to justify a pre-emptive strike based on fears that Iran/Islam may nuke Western interests. Tough descision, not to mention the consequences if a regional war broke out in the ME and the oil stopped flowing.

Empire or bust?

Subjectively, I think it's all crap about pre-emptive strikes and there will be hell to pay....karma

Umm, no, I definately do not misunderstand you, and have for quite some time.

as posted by soficrow
Looks to me like South America, China, and Russia are defending government by the people for the people, against corporatism as the global world government.

Yeah, the good ole' socialist mantra against corporatism [capitalism] as the global world government. Marx and Engels said the same thing in London when they invented/wrote the Communist Manifesto. Anything new here, other than the fact that you are a follower/believer of socialism?

I think democracy's survival as a form of government depends on the actions of South America, China, and Russia.

I hardly doubt it though you would love to accept otherwise.

...Funny how things work out sometimes, isn't it?

Not really, but I guess the same could be said by a host of people concerning the utopian scientific socialism that Marx and Engels invisioned or when Stalinism bit the dust, etc, no?






seekerof

[edit on 18-9-2005 by Seekerof]

Originally posted by Seekerof

as posted by soficrow
Looks to me like South America, China, and Russia are defending government by the people for the people, against corporatism as the global world government.

Yeah, the good ole' socialist mantra against corporatism [capitalism] as the global world government.

IMO - that phony comparison is the biggest scam ever perpetrated on the American people.

Democracy, capitalism, and corporatism are NOT synonyms.

Democracy is about government by the people, for the people.

Corporatism is about governance of the people, by international financiers, via a legal corporate structure established to front for their activities.


Everything else is smoke and mirrors.

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Originally posted by Regenmacher
Sounds nice on paper, but uncorking the nuke genie for the whole world is like throwing a basket of cobras into a schoolyard. Do we really want to PC'fy nuclear technology too?

Excuse me, but that nuclear genie that you refer to has nothing to do with peaceful nuclear energy use. It is a reference to nuclear weapons and intentions. Again, are you advocating that every nation have the right and aability to acquire or make nuclear weapons from their peaceful use nuclear energy programs?

I will presume Iran is seeking at all costs to develop nuclear weapons and reduce the threat of a Western invasion, and Ahmadinejad is blowing smoke about peaceful nuclear technology pursuits.

I have presumed such for quite sometime, as has other Western intelligence service, Middle Eastern intelligence services, and along with their respective national governments. Putin has stated that he does not want to see Iran with nuke capabilities, but does agree with their desire for peaceful use nuclear energy. The EU has been leading this cause against Iran, the US has been a side show aspect to it. Britain is leading the pack to take this to the UN Security Council, yet, all the while, Iran points to the US. Simple Iranian semantics and verbiage.

Subjectively, I think it's all crap about pre-emptive strikes and there will be hell to pay....karma

Agreed to some respects.





seekerof

Originally posted by Seekerof

Excuse me, but that nuclear genie that you refer to has nothing to do with peaceful nuclear energy use. It is a reference to nuclear weapons and intentions. Again, are you advocating that every nation have the right and aability to acquire or make nuclear weapons from their peaceful use nuclear energy programs?

Yeah ,yeah, sure, sure, I forgot they disected the bad nuke genie from the peaceful nuke genie back at Soho labs in March of 99.

Read it again, throwing cobras into a schoolyard does not imply or advocate giving nuclear technology to non-nuclear nations. Enough data leaking out already that we can't control and you want to insinuate I want to pour petrol on the fire. Eghads, how'd you come up with that.

Britain is leading the pack to take this to the UN Security Council, yet, all the while, Iran points to the US. Simple Iranian semantics and verbiage.

Seeker...Do you honestly think we are "leading the pack"? Come on, you know better than that... We are, after all, your lapdog

The US is allowing the EU 3 (UK, France, Germany) to try and negotiate with Iran. If push came to shove, the EU 3 will back a US resolution on the security council.