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Originally posted by Winchester Ranger T
So 9mm is wimpy but the less powerful (and much lower capacity) .38 Special is ok, hmmmm
Better for training, especially things like movement drills. Do a few runs through the exercise with .38s first. Also, capacity doesn't really enter the equation up here. Max handgun capacity is 10 rounds by federal mandate, and barrel length 4.1 inches minimum. Yes, POINT ONE!In addition, the provisions for concealed carry are draconian. Fortunately, I am entering a field where it is more acceptable. So, since I am buying my first gun after summer, I must inquire as to these things.
The USP compact is not particularly small when compared to other 9mm/.40 guns such as the Kahr, Rohrbaugh, Taurus PT series etc, but with the right rig pretty much anything is concelable. I wouldn't call it excessively heavy, it has a polymer frame which reduces weight significantly, and I find it carries "light" especially compared to something like a Makarov for example.
The P2000 and P2000SK are even smaller and lighter, or at least they "feel" lighter, and are another popular choice, they are also available in 9mm or .40S&W.
Since my choices for concealed carry are fairly limited, and compacts are almost entirely about of the question, I was wondering about this gun in particular. I've heard good things about it, especially since most guns up here are brick-sized or larger.
As for the caliber thing, there is nothing that a high quality 9mm can't do that a .40 can, it's also easier to shoot, cheaper to practice with and holds more rounds for the same size of gun. Rounds like the Speer Gold Dot 124gr +P (new NYPD carry load) and Winchester Ranger T 127gr +P+ (and 147gr) offer one shot stop percentages of better than 90% if you believe Marshall & Sanow, the absolute number one performing handgun load of any caliber (Remington 165gr Golden Saber in .40S&W) only gives you a 96% rating. Shot placement is the real key element here, and like I said before, everyone shoots 9mm better than .40.
1. Amount of rounds isn't an issue, it'll be ten no matter what....unless I opt for a wheelgun.
2. I don't believe in Marshall and Sanow. The FBI has prettymuch convinced me that the nine millimeter is useless is combat. With typical combat reactions to danger, shot placement isn't going to be great. So, the way I figure it, I can still hit COM, so I might as well knock big holes in it.
3. .40SW is extremely new, caliber wise. If 10mm was still a viable option, I'd try that. Right now, for a carry gun, I'm looking for .357mag/.45/.40 , since basically none of the 9mm's advantages apply anymore. With a little luck, people will realize their heresy and bring back 10mm
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Originally posted by Winchester Ranger T
Just one other thing, if you want a USP with a stainless slide (which is what we opted for), you had better be quick, H&K have stopped making them. Good luck !!
Originally posted by Winchester Ranger T
I feel bad that my former English countrymen are denied that privilege, only the criminals there are well armed. Over here in the US, we sleep very well at night, but then again, we don't live in New Orleans