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why are you guys falling all over yourselves to debunk it?
Originally posted by Icarus Rising
These pedophile rings are deeply entrenched, and what we hear about them is just the tip of the iceberg. Like it or not, lives are being shaped by these horrific experiences, often perpetrated by parents, family members, and trusted friends.
Saying "Masons, wouldn't, couldn't ever do this, they don't have the opportunity or motive" simply isn't true, for them, or anybody else for that matter.
I know this sounds harsh. It is harsh. Our children deserve much better than this.
Originally posted by Icarus Rising
I agree that it is the individuals not the organizations that are to blame.
By the same token, it is individuals that control these organizations,
'Oh, no! That couldn't happen here!'
Originally posted by Icarus Rising
I harp on the orgs because they are the vehicle for this abuse...
and yes they do need to do a better job of self-policing.
Unless, of course, its ok with you that these children are being exploited and abused...
Originally posted by Icarus Rising
Its the slimy serpents that infiltrate what you call these noble organizations and smear that noble legacy with the excrement of their behavior while they glad-hand their charges for the public eye that should really demand your attention.
quote: Originally posted by eudaimonia
The most that the authorities, friends or family can do is investigate any local masonic temples, ask questions, get to the bottom of what is really going on.
Originally posted by suzy ryan
The Final, O.K. just read the whole link of what goes on in Australia and keep in mind that it's comments and reactions like yours, by people like you, that stall justice and help keep the issue buried. Eudiamonias post is not ment to"impress" anyone but wake people up to the depth and breadth of the problem. It strikes me as "telling" that certain groups ferociously defend their right to keep certain things "private" yet demand that anyone raising the issue of organized/ritual/stanic child abuse is asked for identifying "proof" before many will even treat their claims with any human compassion. EVIDENCE needs to HEARD, GATHERED, STORED, HANDLED and PRESENTED PROPERLY before charges can be laid let alone convictions made yet in these cases that all rarely gets done properly by those who put the "good names" of the accused above true justice for the victims. So, saddly alot of survivers can only speak out about the issue as naming names will only get them sued for slander BECAUSE THE SYSTEM WON'T LET THEM PROVE THEIR CASE. DO YOU GET THAT POINT YET OR DO YOU CHOOSE TO BELIEVE THAT ALL THE WORLDS LEGAL SYSTEMS ARE FAULTLESS?
Originally posted by Icarus Rising
If its bunk, why are you guys falling all over yourselves to debunk it? Seems to me you would be better served to blow it off. You draw more attention to the topic, and arouse more suspicion (especially among conspiricists) by going on and on.
Those who engage in SRA are extemely secretive, and I believe swear their initiates to silence on pain of death. They've been around for a long, long time, have been persecuted severely, and know how to cover their tracks to protect their own. Sound familiar?
Originally posted by suzy ryan
The police need doctors and other professionals to make their cases. When those doctors and other professionals are the fellow "brothers"of those who claim they're are being falsly accussed....Get real...what would you do to be able to continue satisfieing your lust for sex with children if that was your addiction, hand out all the high powered favours you can or commit suicide? Yes there is something worse than murder, I hope that those of you belittleing survivers and their supporters never get to find out what it is.
Originally posted by suzy ryan
The police need doctors and other professionals to make their cases. When those doctors and other professionals are the fellow "brothers"of those who claim they're are being falsly accussed....Get real...what would you do to be able to continue satisfieing your lust for sex with children if that was your addiction, hand out all the high powered favours you can or commit suicide? I've been the round of my cases being handed over to "unsimpathetic" investigators like so many others and none of your properganda will change the fact that certain people get away with murder and worse. Yes there is something worse than murder, I hope that those of you belittleing survivers and their supporters never get to find out what it is.