Meier Case on C2C, page 1

To Flinx:

Ok, so it looks like many of us have come to the conclusion that Meier's "evidence" is faked. However, some plastic models on a string are not what's interesting about this case. I'm not really interested in Meier's spiritual message either. I try to shy away from the whole spirituality mixing with UFOs thing. I kind of resent the UFO researchers who try to infuse spirituality and the paranormal into the UFO field...it just allows skeptics to lump all "strange" phenomenon together. Call me naive, but I'm pretty "nuts and bolts" when it comes to UFOs. I'm more of the Stanton Friedman type than the Jacques Vallee type.

Well, I should agree with you in avoiding spiritual messages in the UFO Phenomena, specially Meier's case, I am not into it to much of it as well (like channeling), since you remark yourself as "nuts and bolts" type I would consider myself alike. Fair enough for me but like I said before whether we like it or not all those "spiritual messages" have been around since human life was offspring on earth and we can't just simply ignore it.

Erm...anyway. What I really find interesting about this case, and what hasn't really been addressed yet are the predictions Meier has made. Forget all of those lame photos for a moment. Did Meier really make those predictions before the events occurred? Gazrock said that they were from a Cold War mindset...does this mean that he actually did make them back then?
The only one I can actually confirm is the the discovery of 2 objects beyond Pluto. I suppose that could be a lucky guess but...

As far as I am concern Meier didn't make this prophecies or Predictions they have been around quite some millennia’s now. Most of them encoded (like Nostradamus writing), the Old Testament and other Biblical Passages and as the so called Henoch Prophecies. What I know is that some of the Prophecies for this "New Age" were interpreted by the Plejarens in a direct form of understanding, without encoded messages. As you may know Prophecies may be altered and Predictions are a direct event that can't be avoid, they are a 100% accuracy. That is why many prophecies may not fulfill it's self because it already had been altered, but predictions are the opposite. Let's take the Toutatis Asteroid , that was a prediction that it was going to pass our earth within hundreds of miles on Late September 2004, predicted by the plejarens on 1976 I believe and written down by Meier that year. Which was later discovered in the late 80's by a French Astronomer. Also applies for the newly discovered planet which was also "predicted" by the Plejarens and Meier in the 70's. There are so many things that we can consider it as a whole soup of information to give you more head spins and make you more psycho then we already are.. right?

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To Gazrok:

Yes, he made predictions about today's events, back then, that are conclusions based on a Cold War mindset. I believe I went into some of these in the thread debating Meier's accounts. Prophets focus on predictions that come true (or can be shoehorned into the truth), while ignoring the more numerous untrue predictions...

Sure he made predictions and prophecies and of course some were of Cold War mindset, just remember that the cold war was in set in the 60's until the fall of the Berlin Wall, well Russia it still is a well armed nation, same as the U.S. and that makes it still a threat and also are the prophecies of the Islam playing a sad part for these times. I believe you Gazrok made a good point in some other thread that that all of these so call "prophecies" were made on purely logical events to come, such as the Golf War, that surely was going to wake more anger on the Islamic Fundamentalism against the U.S. and that the WTC Attack was an event waiting to happen???

The terms are often confused, so one can't blame you. A skeptic is one who goes in with an open mind that something could be true but the evidence has to support it, looks at the evidence, and THEN renders a decision. A debunker is one who goes in with their mind already made up, who then looks only at that which agrees with their mindset that it's baloney. Kal is a "debunker" in this regard.

Let's just leave Kal K. as a "megalomaniac" skeptic

I was extremely skeptical when looking at the Meier case. I certainly WANTED it to be genuine, but multiple UFO sightings by one individual rarely are. The endorsement of the Disclosure Project was impressive, and so were the initial photos I saw. But then, as I looked into it, I saw more and more that the evidence pointed in exactly the opposite direction. Older, obvious faked photos emerged (endorsed by Meier and his spokespeople), the prophecies unravelled, and the story broke into pieces.... Laughable attempts such as the "video" and the Asket and Nera hoax, the ray gun pics, all of it was simply too much for anyone to really take this seriously....

I agree with you, we all want to know what is true and what is not. Yes, there a lot of things in the Meier case, and I mentioned them again, that makes you think twice about the whole story believe me I also have my doubts and that is good because that makes me a human just like anyone else, but why is that the things that someone expects turns out to be totally different then expected? Let me clarify this, is it that just because something that you looked, touched or even tasted wasn't what your mind was expecting or wanted them to be just how you wanted it to be you are going to reject it and even denying it's existence in a direct or indirect form? that happens a lot and please correct wrong with this, but that has happened to me and I am absolutely sure that it has happened to you as well.
I believe also that Meier doesn't indorsed people just to make his story more or less valid. Sadly they may be some spokesperson that tries to profit of Meier’s case and there are others that do all "endorsement" on there own investing with time and money. That is why Meier doesn't like the media, besides all the attacks that he has received, also he doesn't find the need to promote himself like a lot of "contactees" have done over the years just to have there face on TV or an the front cover of Fate Magazine

Anyhow, I am not endorsing Meier's case I just want to know how far will it go and hopefully we find out the truth before Meier's death, because if he dies and this goes on let me "predict" you that people will turn him into a cult like idol, none of this is happening right now believe me that besides FIGU and all of affiliates around the world I doubt that this is a cult like group for now... Let's just hope that it doesn't end up like a "Heaven's Gate" incident

Let me just say that I enjoy very much with you guys this topic specially when we have a whole mix of opinions about the Meier Story or other stories besides Meier’s, even though some may buy it and some may not, well don't you thing that is the fun part to simply share our thoughts and try to bring something positive out of the whole experience.

Sorry For taking so long on posting my opinions... I'll try to keep up next time

[edit on 17-8-2005 by Nokodemion]