Thats interesting, I wonder though, what energy is required to convert the water into the HHO gas? Does it still require electricity?

I don't get it. How is hho gas different from h2o vapour?

That's interesting. Last night on PBS, Nova science now, had a segment featuring click and clack, the car talk guys on why the hydrogen car isn't as near a possiblity as it has been hyped. I don't know all the science but you can rewatch the segment via streaming video from the nova website. One of the key problems a car would have would be weight...as they discribed it, (and these amounts are mine not theirs) to go 100 miles you would need a tank holding roughly 10,000 psi in hydrogen, so unless you wanted to refill every hundred miles, you would have to double the amount stored to go 200 miles, triple it to go 300 miles etc. It was a fasninating show I highly recommend checking it out. I wish those guys lots of luck but I am not holding my breath.

P.S. One of the things that it did say that was quite intriguing was given the problems (and others) mentioned above a hydrogen car was most likely not very practical BUT that probably the best use for this technology wasnot in automobiles but in power plants.

I never heard of this until the other night on a news program. I did some research and found that it is indeed a viable technology. Apparently, the company behind this has been quietly working for the last five years without much ado, unlike the "cold fusion" chemists who couldn't wait the get the media involved.

The demonstrations I saw, reveal a nearly magical process that does indeed turn water into a unique gas, HHO, that has the remarkable properties of heating according to the material it is applied to and producing no poisonous by-products and does not require the bottling and storage of volatile gasses. The gas can be converted from water available on any work site. I think this could be big.



[edit on 2005/7/27 by GradyPhilpott]

Grady can you tell me what name, etc. this was patented under? I would like to do a patent search to see what comes up. Also, do you know if the theory or other intellectual work was peer reviewed? And if so, by whom?

[edit on 27-7-2005 by Astronomer68]

Ah I see so the molecule looks like this...

H O
\ /
H


Rather than this...

H H
\ /
O

At least I think I get it I don't really have that firm a grasp of chemistry.

[edit on 27-7-2005 by boogyman]

Does anyone have a link to the Sagan "Baloney Detection Kit" handy?

I read the original site. Hydrogen is an element. You don't "hybridize" it. You can create different compounds but then you change the properties. It takes a fixed, given amount of energy to separate H2O into H2 and O. The power from burning it is getting some of that back by actualy "rusting" the hydrogen-oxidizing it, producing heat. Not as much energy comes out as goes in to crack the water. Basic thermodynamics, what they used to teach in school instead of endless "safe sex/anti AIDS" and "tolerance" classes.


What they fail to mention is the chemical reactions are nothing new, pretty much what you get dropping metallic sodium into water. Sure you get hydrogen. But is it worth the tons of dangerous, toxic material needed?

This is the same sort of stuff snake oil salesmen have been trying to push for centuries. Run this through the Baloney Detection Kit, and see what you come up with.

*sigh* no wonder China of all places is surpassing us in R&D. Between the leftover hippie/communist radical left and the brainwashed narrow religious right, and mass media producing twitchy garbage, we've become a nation of morons incapable of basic skepticism and common sense.

and for those of you hung up on the "it's got a patent!" thing...

Something does not have to work or be viable or even possible in this Universe to get a patent. Sony (IIRC) has a patent on Matrix-like gaming input feeding directly into your brain. Perpetual motion machines have been patented. I think Star Trek "warp drive" is patented. Pretty sure the Scientologist's "orgonne generator" is patented. A couple "anti-gravity" devices too.

USPTO is broken as anyone in the information systems field can tell you...watching innovations get squashed left and right by ridiculous software patents for such simple things as "one click ordering" and other silliness.

Neutralizes radioactive waste

That one alone is worth the price of admission.
One in every kitchen!

Originally posted by Phugedaboudet
Does anyone have a link to the Sagan "Baloney Detection Kit" handy?

I read the original site. Hydrogen is an element. You don't "hybridize" it.

Its electron orbitals can be 'hybridized' tho, perhaps that is what they are talking about.

You can create different compounds but then you change the properties. It takes a fixed, given amount of energy to separate H2O into H2 and O. The power from burning it is getting some of that back by actualy "rusting" the hydrogen-oxidizing it, producing heat. Not as much energy comes out as goes in to crack the water. Basic thermodynamics, what they used to teach in school instead of endless "safe sex/anti AIDS" and "tolerance" classes.

What they fail to mention is the chemical reactions are nothing new,

I think that they are claiming that its an entirely different sort of reaction tho, that the atoms are present in a state that they're not normally present in (which would be required I beleive to have a gas of mono-atomic hydrogen and oxygen, as opposed to h2 and o2.)

The claims in the page I cited are, I beleive, a compendium of most claims about the substance. The claims are pretty outrageous, but nonetheless interesting.

And,as is usual with big claims like this, the fact that they are saying its workable and there are examples of it, but that there isn't much business interest in the product is somewhat telling.

On the noon news broadcast at about 12:40 or so of KRIV Fox 26 news here in Houston 2 or 3 days ago they showed a segment on this technology.

The segment showed a local company owner demonstrating his version of a welding machine using HHO Gas produced from water and electricity by his patented process. The torch heated a large brass or copper ball to its' melting point in about 3 seconds, cut metal, other stuff, and he then immediately grabbed onto and continued to hold the tip of the torch less than 1 cm away from the blue flame. There was no heat associated with the torch tip at all other than the flame of course.

This man then filled the tank of an old 4 cylinder green small car which if memory serves me right was a 94 Ford, maybe a Dodge, I cant remember, with a gallon of water and then drove out of the Clear Lake City, or was it Webster, parking lot that I believe was the parking lot of the company that he has started to promote the technology.

This is all I can remember. I do remember he said it didn't take alot of electricity to convert the water to gas in the car or the welding machine. They said the name of the company; Something like Hydrogen something Systems. Hope this helps.

Edit: I just got around to reading the links and HTA is the company unless there are two companies testing this with a 94 Escort, so it looks like Grady and I may have seen the same or a simular broadcast.

[edit on 28-7-2005 by TexasConspiracyNut]

Interesting, a friend of mine that was quite well known in the Aliens forum told me about this tech before I heard it here.

Quite interesting I must say, hopefully it will be as good as it sounds!

Originally posted by Phugedaboudet
I knew where I'd heard this before.

It's acetylene.

This can't be explained away that easily. Acetylene burns completely different than what I saw demonstrated.

No one would grab the tip of a welding torch by the end and hold onto it for 5 seconds with it still shooting out a flame that just got thru melting a 2 or 3 inch round lump of metal and cutting plates of metal right in front of the reporter if it was acetylene. This guy even stuck his hand in the flame for a second or two.