(a quick note to commend the ones who have taken time and research to reply here! Excellent work!)
Originally posted by beforebc
If you mean Bastet .. say Bastet.
Actually, I mean Bast. The name is spelled B3s.t and the second 't' is simply a doubling or lengthening of the sound. Her original names seems to
have been pronounced as "Ubastyya(t)" -- but that's waaayyyy too esoteric for this place.
"Bastet" is actually a mistranslation of the "B3s.tt" hieroglyphs. The second T should merely double the first sound. Since I knew this from my
studies, I said 'Bast' and meant 'Bast.'
(and that oughta be enough hieroglyphics for the day, eh? BTW, for cat fans and Egyptian fans, the owner of that site has done archaeological
research in Egypt and specializes in the Khemetic religion. Good site.)
This thread is about Ancient Egyptian accretion theory not
Yes, it certainly is. But if you'll check the site, you'll see that this statement appears there:
The Ancients believed [as written in the ancient Egyptian Book of the Dead] that the earth was fashioned within the very depths of Jupiter and
was ejected into space through the stormy Eye and the mouth of the serpent as Horus of the Gods!
I provided references (as did you, though the interpretation of 'emitted' has been bowlderized in the translation I have) that the Earth was not
created by Horus, but by Ra-Atum (known variously as Atum (and a few other names depending on where he was being worshipped.)) And that was sort of
odd, seeing you provide the information that said it was Atun who created the Earth and not Horus... and then turning around and insisting it was made
I don't see any references in the "pyramid texts" or other texts to the eye being Jupiter (I do see references to the left eye being the moon and
the right being the sun, and there are texts that pray to Horus to let his 'shining eye come forth' (the sun... the right eye.))
Now, the left eye was also significant. It also symbolized healing and restoration.
In this text selection, the mention is of the left eye, as a symbol of healing and restoring (for those of you reading through this and going 'huh?'
I should explain that the 'healing' into life in the other world is what enables the deceased to partake of the food and other offerings left for
them. Interestingly enough, you could 'say' the offering -- "a hundred loaves of bread to the spirit of Imhotep" for example, and that would be
as good as showing up at the place and putting out a hundred loaves of bread):
Here's the complete Pyramid Text, and it talks about the dead king using his spit (because he has become Osiris the god) to heal the left eye of
Horus. But it doesn't talk about the Earth coming from Horus.:
As to the banded design, well, you have to contend with some of the writing that says that the udjat/wedjat ("eye of Horus") was a based on the
feathers around the eye of the common Egyptian falcon:
Compare drawings of Horus:
With the bird:
Now, as for the Jupiter association with the Wedjat-eye, the Wedjat is not, in fact, the original symbol for Horus (the falcon was). The wedjat-eye
shows up after the rise of the Osiris myth, when it is a symbol of healing as the 'wounded eye, restored':
Horus was, indeed, associated with the planet Jupiter, and that's a fairly old association. But the time of the rise of the Osiris myths and the
Wedjat-eye is rather later than the origins of Horus.
So, to reiterate the points that I'm making now and made earlier (though rather badly):
* The earth is around 4 billion years old (maybe a bit older)
* Egyptian civilization has been around for about 7,000 years (maybe a bit earlier.)
* Horus, one of the oldest Egyptian gods, is about 7,000 years old.
* Horus is associated with Jupiter.
* Osiris was originally a fertility god and not quite as old as Horus:
* Horus' left eye, the wounded one, is associated with the moon:
* If the earth didn't exist before Horus' eye was wounded, how could his mother have given birth to him in Khebet/Chemmis, a very real in the
marshes of the Delta near Buto?
* If the earth didn't exist before Horus' eye was wounded, how could his father (before his conception and birth) have had his body parts buried at
seven (or nine, depending on the legend) different Egyptian cities?
As to the planets,
* Jupiter is a gas giant and doesn't have many of the elements that we have here on Earth. (90% hydrogen, around 10% helium, only traces of other
* The red spot is a storm and although it's long-lasting, there is no evidence it was there a thousand years ago... or even longer ago.
* Anyone who proposes that the Earth came out of Jupiter needs to explain why there's NOT a corresponding spot on the other side of the planet (where
something smashed in to "knock Earth out"... no, anything that passed by with a gravity well deep enough to drag a chunk of rocky core OUT of
Jupiter would be swallowed by Jupiter because the core is very small and under about 50,000 miles of atmospheric ocean.
* Likewise they need to explain why the Earth has an orbit that's only mildly eliptical and does not swoop around Jupiter, the point of its
* Likewise they need to explain why the axial tilt of Jupiter is only 3 degrees but that of the Earth is closer to 27 degrees, remembering that any
skeptic with a bit of simple math and a few equations (Newton) can doublecheck their work.
* And by the way, this doesn't explain the Moon.
Not as quick an answer as before, and somewhat more elaborate on the details. I'll be glad to answer other questions about these. I'm not an
Egyptologist by any means, but I have done some study of the place and culture and artifacts.
[edit on 30-7-2005 by Byrd]