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Originally posted by junglejake
. As a result of the thread I linked to, I have made a far more active attempt to understand the reasoning behind the other side's arguement. (snip) He never said he would fire anyone involved, he said he would (crap, happened again) fire anyone who was involved and broke the law.
As to the neocon question, every test I've taken ............(snip)So no, your assessment of me was incorrect,
* Want the US to be the world's unchallenged superpower
* Share unwavering support for Israel
* Support American unilateral action
* Support preemptive strikes to remove perceived threats to US security
* Promote the development of an American empire
* Equate American power with the potential for world peace
* Seek to democratize the Arab world
* Push regime change in states deemed threats to the US or its allies
Historical neoconservative: President Teddy Roosevelt
Modern neoconservative: President Ronald Reagan
Bush said last year he would fire anyone found to have leaked Plame's identity.
Bush refused to directly answer questions about whether he had spoken to Rove about his discussion with Cooper.
"I have instructed every member of my staff to fully cooperate in this investigation," Bush said. Rove sat stoically behind Bush during the questions about his involvement.
In an Oval Office meeting with the prime minister of Singapore, Bush did not respond to a reporter's shouted question about whether he intended to dismiss Rove.
Bush had pledged to dismiss any leakers in the case.
A growing number of Democrats are urging Bush to sideline Rove by suspending his access to classified information. Others say he should step down or be fired.
Some of the denials, other comments, at media briefings by White House spokesman Scott McClellan
July 11, 2005:
Q: Do you want to retract your statement that Rove, Karl Rove, was not involved in the Valerie Plame expose?
A: I appreciate the question. This is an ongoing investigation at this point. The president directed the White House to cooperate fully with the investigation, and as part of cooperating fully with the investigation, that means we're not going to be commenting on it while it is ongoing.
Q: But Rove has apparently commented, through his lawyer, that he was definitely involved.
A: You're asking me to comment on an ongoing investigation.
Q: I'm saying, why did you stand there and say he was not involved?
A: Again, while there is an ongoing investigation, I'm not going to be commenting on it nor is ... .
Q: Any remorse?
A: Nor is the White House, because the president wanted us to cooperate fully with the investigation, and that's what we're doing.
Washington -- Nearly two years after stating that any administration official found to have been involved in leaking the name of an undercover CIA officer would be fired, and assuring that Karl Rove and other senior aides to President Bush had nothing to do with the disclosure, the White House refused on Monday to answer any questions about new evidence of Rove's role in the matter
Originally posted by Kidfinger
You can look up any list you want about a Neocon and their values. There is a saying that gopes: Words dont make a man. Actions make a man.
Well, the same thing goes for political parties. Look at their actions over the last 35 years and see if they really coincide with their values. Also, a list of values tells you nothing of the history.
Originally posted by marg6043
But he has more than one controvercy surrounding him.
Originally posted by EastCoastKid
I guess its easier for Neo Cons to live with their absurd and twisted views by ignoring the truth.
I read his profile and how he got to be Mr. "The Boy Genius", "The Architect" and "Turd Blossom," mostly because the dirty tricks at playing politics.
Originally posted by junglejake
That's a good point. I suppose the change would have to start with the media. If they didn't give power to the dirty tricks, there would be no point in using them.
take care of it
Originally posted by junglejake
One got close, he said all his staff would cooperate fully. From everything I've read, Rove did exactly that, he's been cooperating with the investigation fully. Everything you referenced that Bush "said" about getting rid of someone who leaked the information was a reporter's take on the quote, not the actual quote. Find me the quote where Bush said he would fire anyone involved, breaking the law or no, and I will bow my head and conciede the point to you.
McClellan also maintained at the time that "the president knows" that Rove wasn't involved in the leak. And he said that the allegation that Rove was involved in this leak was "a ridiculous suggestion" and "it is simply not true."
McClellan was wrong. Did that mean that Rove had lied to McClellan about his role in this? That Rove had also lied to Bush? Or was McClellan knowingly misinforming the public? If the latter, then there should be two resignations.
Days later, Bush took a clear stand on the Plame/CIA leak. He said:
There are too many leaks of classified information in Washington. If there's leaks out of my administration, I want to know who it is, and if the person has violated the law, the person will be taken care of.
According to Cooper's email, Rove did leak classified information, wittingly or not. Did he share that fact with Bush? If McClellan can be believed, Rove did not. If that's true, Bush should dismiss Rove for holding out on him. But it Rove did talk to Bush about his participation in the leak, what did he tell Bush? And what actions did Bush take? Did Rove tell Bush how he had come to know about Valerie Wilson's position at the CIA? Did he disclose to Bush who else knew about it? Did he tell his boss whether anyone else was passing this information to reporters? In the first column that disclosed Valerie Wilson's CIA identity, Bob Novak referred to "two" senior administration officials? So who in addition to Rove might have revealed this information to Novak?
Bush also said at the time that any government official with knowledge of the leak should "come forward and speak out." Rove certainly did not follow that presidential order. He should be pink-slipped for that, too.
Either Rove knew that he was revealing an undercover officer to a reporter or he was identifying a CIA officer without bothering to check on her status and without considering the consequences of outing her. Take your pick: in both scenarios Rove is acting in a reckless and cavalier fashion, ignoring the national security interests of the nation to score a political point against a policy foe.
Originally posted by FallenFromTheTree
Look what "web sleuth " posted over at the Huffington Post.
Rove's lawyer, Robert D. Luskin's direct telephone number at his firm, Patton Boggs, is 202-457-6190. His e-mail address is email@example.com.
Here is Luskin's bio page on the PB website: