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Originally posted by Kongfuey
I have friends who refused to have their children immunised. There is nothing in the world wrong with these children. Of the children, one of them is now 14 yrs old and has never been sick.
Originally posted by blanketgirl
You quoted my post, but did you read any of it? I was talking about how the old times sucked. How people didn't have sanitation or do things that kept them healthy...
As far as the farm goes, I'm talking about kids shoveling feces, up to their elbows in dirt and barely rinsing before shoving candy or food into their mouths, people using outhouses and having no medication or vitamin supplements.
If you think of that as nostalgic, well I don't. I don't even know how to approach that one.
but immunizations are far from the only thing thrown into the mix as far as our healthcare.
Originally posted by QuestForSafety
Like the world WAS.
If you want it back that way fine, and if you feel you need to interfere with your daughters plans, go ahead, but I HOPE you do your research to extreme degrees, beyond old times, and nostalgic memories on the farm, before you make a final consideration.
Originally posted by Tinkleflower
Excerpt from the BBC:
"The latest research from Japan studied autism rates in over 31,000 children up to the age of seven, who were born before and after the withdrawal of the MMR jab in that country. It was found that autism rates continued to rise after the triple vaccine was withdrawn in 1993, whereas rates would have been expected to fall if the jab was a major cause."
Full article here
Originally posted by HowardRoark
BTW, Scientists have noted that if you compare a chart of children’s shoe sizes with their math test scores, they are remarkably similar. That is as the shoe sizes increase, the test scores get better.
Does that mean that small feet are the cause of poor test scores?
Correlation does not equate with causation.
Originally posted by blanketgirl
The point is that whatever it is, there is something causing the rise in autism.
Any medication you give people will have side effects. Both immediate and long term. Why is it that the drug companies seem to deny the fact that there could be long term side effects of vaccines?
I understand there is a difference between correlation and causation, but when you can look at vaccines and it can be difinitively said that they cause all the symptoms of a disease... but we really don't want to waste the time to see if they cause the disease...
doesn't that seem a little neglegent to you?
There are millions of people around the world just calling for reasonable research into the long term effects of vaccines and nothing is done, because it is more profitable not to do the research and pray upon our fears of disease. It is insulting the way you brush it off by making such a stupid and completely irrelivant comparison.
Originally posted by HowardRoark
BTW, Scientists have noted that if you compare a chart of children’s shoe sizes with their math test scores, they are remarkably similar. That is as the shoe sizes increase, the test scores get better.
Does that mean that small feet are the cause of poor test scores?
Correlation does not equate with causation.
Originally posted by QuestForSafety
There has already been years of research......the studies are showing it effectively prevents the disease, what more do you want? The research has also shown it does not have a link to autism, as that doctors theory to test it was debunked, after further clinical testing, and analyzation.
Originally posted by blanketgirl
I'm not even talking about just Autism, there are a number of new diseases and long term problems people are getting now that didn't exist before the vaccines. How does this not even get taken seriously as something we should be studying?
Originally posted by Tinkleflower
Originally posted by blanketgirl
I'm not even talking about just Autism, there are a number of new diseases and long term problems people are getting now that didn't exist before the vaccines. How does this not even get taken seriously as something we should be studying?
Ok. If you list these long term problems, and new diseases, that will at least give me something to work with in terms of finding studies relating to either.
Otherwise we're going to be here for days going back and forth. Give me some leads
Originally posted by Incognita
I haven't seen a needle touch me in over 20 years and I've only suffered normally with common colds, and lately some fast food poisoning, but that's all. I didn't see the benefit of shots in grade school and I don't see it now.
Originally posted by Tinkleflower
Originally posted by Incognita
I haven't seen a needle touch me in over 20 years and I've only suffered normally with common colds, and lately some fast food poisoning, but that's all. I didn't see the benefit of shots in grade school and I don't see it now.
You were lucky - probably because you went to school with a group of children who did get their shots....thus making it unlikely for you to actually catch anything!
Tetanus - that's a no-brainer....even with current vaccine concerns (which may or may not have any validity) you'd be somewhat less than smart to forego this if you were exposed to anything of a "stabby" nature. Tetanus isn't fun. Trust me.
(and for what it's worth, the tetanus vaccine doesn't use live toxin; you will not get tetanus from the vaccine itself).
When we're talking about measles, mumps and rubella, I'd rather have had the shots than the diseases themselves. I wasn't a lucky child, and I actually got landed with measles and mumps as a child (my mother says rubella too, but I'm not so sure about that one), and though neither left me with any lasting damage, I did become part of a local epidemic involving several deaths (from measles-related encephalitis).
I really don't want to , but I've personally seen too much heartache from the diseases themselves; whilst I acknowledge there are sometimes adverse events (and yes, even fatal reactions in extremely rare instances), these are by far outweighed by the protection offered.
Originally posted by Tinkleflower
(My nephew had a very, very nasty case of whooping cough too, leading to pneumonia and a scarred lung)
One day I'll post my story about a case of scarlet fever which led to rheumatic fever, and a need to take prophylactic antibiotics every time I get my teeth professionally cleaned to avoid endocarditis. Darn heart valves. Hmph.
(there's no vaccine to avoid scarlet fever; I was just in an "overly sharing" kind of mood. Like I do, once in awhile... )
It's not that I don't think other people shouldn't get them, I just really felt that it was something I didn't want to do, it really freaked me out, enough to skip them all those years without telling anyone. I felt I had the right to control what went into my body, yeah, even at the age of 6 or 10 or 13.