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Originally posted by Tinkleflower
If #1 applies - it's time to take more responsibility for what's happening with our own healthcare. Do your research, make inquiries, and make sure you not only fully understand the procedure, but also that you understand the risks involved.
There are inherent risks with introducing any substance to your body - that also applies to vaccines; the same as virtually any medical procedure or medicine.
Originally posted by cosmic fury
My girl has a 9 month year old daughter whose already been introduced to half her vaccinations, if you can call them that. In the next few days she's scheduled to get more. The mother of the 9mnth yr old is only 16 and her mother will be taking her to the appointment. I'm trying to convince her that it is not illegal to refuse these shots, that it is only useful for trying to get a child into the public school system. I don't think she's talked with her own mother about my opinion yet, but I know when the cats out of the bag, I'm going to get opposition from every angle, doctor, mother, siblings, etc. If not because their nature is to believe a doctor over an 18 yr old high school grad of '05, but also simply in spite of me because they're not happy with me or any of their daughter's other decisions; ya know, after having a kid under aged and all...difference is unlike them, I care with unconditional love, so...
Originally posted by blanketgirl
A lot of people don't really believe that there is a risk from vaccines, I have been told a few times my daughter wouldn't have a reaction unless something was already wrong.
Originally posted by Tinkleflower
I'm curious as to why you'd believe people telling you that your daughter wouldn't have a reaction unless something was already wrong (which is misguided logic at best - it's like saying my child wouldn't have died from measles if she hadn't already had a cold, you know?), yet not believe the mountains of research - much of it NOT carried out by biased medico/pharma/legal organisations - showing the risk/benefit ratios of these vaccines?
. They are made, often rushed through the process so they can go out and save lives, and one scientist making one wrong move could effect everybody. They are people with big hearts but they are still people. "
Originally posted by golemina
Thank you for at least the kind tone in your 'responses'.
>'Golemnia that is the most FOOLISH thing I ever heard. That hick logic will end up getting your children seriously deformed, permanent physical damage, or KILLED most likely, since you've already decided the entire medical industry is 'evil'.'
I find it strange that people defending innoculations (and drug-based conventional medicine) always need to use disinformation techniques or fear-mongering in transparent attempts to sway people to the effectiveness of 'conventional' medicine (or the supposed ineffectiveness of alternative medicine).
I don't mean to be rude QuestForSafety, but when it comes to fact, when it comes to the reality of the statements you are offering up in defense of MDs, you are just a walking propagandist, spouting mostly vague generalizations, with absolutely no valid basis.
You sound like nice folks, but you sound so brainwashed you don't even hear yourselves... Go back and reread your posts... you seem to blindly equate caring for disease with drugs+innoculations!
Or even better... you read a database! Please, have mercy. I might have hurt myself laughing.
A database? Great... Make sure you give me the 'cures' (or causes ) for autism (in all its forms... all the 'D's) + cancer.
The problem is attention to detail... Some might say I've been blessed (or cursed ) with superior attention to detail. You know... the kind that lets you REALLY understand certain types of information.
The basic bottom line is most people are simply not able to break thru the veneer that surrounds 'conventional' medicine and see that it is long on dogma and short on results. With the exception of emergency medicine (those boys and girls simply kick ass ), the supposed efficacy of 'conventional' medicine is an absolute fraud, a statistical manipulation accomplished with smoke and mirrors.
The statement about 'adding years'... would be uproariously funny if it didn't involve REAL peoples lives. I couldn't help but notice, you didn't bring up the quality of life of those 'added years'.
The truth is you win some, you lose some. What that means for me, is my friends that went conventional in dealing with cancer... They are ALL DEAD.
Those that went with alternative medicine, the have ALL recovered, the ones that were given a death sentence were especially sweet (2x).
(When the health care you are receiving has you starting to circle the drain, go see an alternative practitioner. )
For me the lose was not being able to help those that needed it the most and their absolute blind trust in people who were SUPPOSED to be watching out for their well-being...
Like I might have said before 'people will believe what they want to believe'...
>'So you decide if it's a doctor's 'guilt trip'.'
Don't worry. Doctors are totally immune to that type dialogue... They have their consciouses surgically removed in the first week of medical school... You know... in the same procedure where they are taught not to personally identify with the patient!
[edit on 4-8-2005 by golemina]
Originally posted by QuestForSafety
I think your completely hypocritical, I have FACTS to rely on, such as average of 2 out of 6 children surviving before vaccinations were invented, and now an average of nearly 6/6, with minor decimal problems.
So that's that I guess, if you want to believe your own life experiences over the world's data, then fine, let's go to life experiences.
EVERY child born into my family, distant family, ect, has lived, and has been vaccinated properly, to ensure health.
As for my grandma? She tells me out of 8 kids she had....(Yes she was a baby machine), but I asked her why, she said because back in her day it was just what happened since they didn't have the vaccinations they do today, the kids would get some disease, causing anything from severe high fever, to lack of brain function, then boom, they'd die. Out of all her children she only has 3 left, and she says she can take it more easily, because all the others died when they were young, and she realizes now if she would have known about vaccinations in her time, she would have listened, and had them for her children.
Originally posted by Tinkleflower
Blanketgirl, you seem to have spent a lot of time trying to ridicule the people who have actually gone out of their way to provide you with evidence so that you can actually be better informed. That's truly disappointing; you say that you're the one who's paying the most attention to detail, and yet all we see is the same argument over and over, with virtually nothing to back it up.
Of course, any evidence I bring up must be suspect, right? Because I worked within the industry?
Have you found anything in your studies to contradict the claims you don't believe?