Originally posted by Tinkleflower
It's usually a shot you get at school around the age of 14.

But it can be given later.

Where are you guys talking about that they do shots in school? None of my schools did that except when my college had a meningitus scare.

I was schooled in England....sorry, just figured it would be the same here.

Rubella shots were given at school, around the age of 14.

It's completely possible some schools in the US might, my experience tells me schools in the SE Michigan area don't. That isn't saying much given the size of the country, let alone the world.

In my experience, the health department suggested a booster for MMR at the age of 16, my mom made me go in with her but when I mentioned it to friends of mine they acted surprised and I don't know of anybody else actually getting the booster shot.
According to my OB/Gyn, it's not uncommon for women to become pregnant when it has been more than 10 years from their last booster, meaning their immunity to Rubella in most cases isn't actually strong enough to fight anything off anyways. That is one of those vaccines that has a rather short limitation on it's effectiveness.

>'The movement by some misguided people to refuse vaccinations not only puts them at risk, it puts the rest of us at risk also by creating a breeding ground for new and more virulent forms of disease that are not prevented by vaccinations.'

This comment (and the 'theory') is quite amusing.

What it's really about is the fact that contrary to the marketing glossies is that even innoculations that don't hammer peoples immune systems don't immunize to the degree that the vaunted priests of immunization would like to pretend.

The fact that detractors point this out has never really gotten any real traction with innoculation defenders or more importantly the public...

This theory about creating resistant bugs is more about when people finally catch on that innoculations don't work as advertised...

Why did all of us catch the very disease we were immunized against? Ah... Well... You see... The disease... ah... mutated... Yeah, THAT'S it! It mutated! And it's all the FAULT of those misguided, irresponsible, anti-social, fringe group nutjob idiots!!!

They did this to us!



Kind of annoying when people see you hiding behind the curtains working those levers, eh Howard?

>'Ah, someone hasn't done their biology homework. (Which disease, incidentally, have we all caught after we've all being immunized against it?)'

Classic redirection. No denial. No approval.

So, Tinkleflower, in that little medical fantasy world of yours innoculations are 100% effective, no one ever has any adverse effects AND no one EVER gets the very disease they were innoculated against...



The ONLY response to such zealousness that's appropriate is to just let you keep living in that little fantasy world of yours.

Such 'information' and 'decades of science' kind of reminds me of another oldie, but a goodie...

Those guys that were pushing the concept of using pig body parts for human transplants... cuz after all, they are in reality quite close to us biologically and there are no on the record cases of cross-species contamination.




[edit on 17-8-2005 by golemina]

Originally posted by golemina
So, Tinkleflower, in that little medical fantasy world of yours innoculations are 100% effective, no one ever has any adverse effects AND no one EVER gets the very disease they were innoculated against...

Wow, way to not read a thread....you've outdone yourself there, my friend!

I don't believe anyone here has ever said a) immunizations are 100% effective, and/or b) there are never any adverse events.

The ONLY response to such zealousness that's appropriate is to just let keep living in that little fantasy world of yours.

You really undermine yourself when you resort to this

Tell you what. Instead of posting the same hyperbole over, and over, and over again..., how about you come up with something to prove your points?

Let me reiterate.

Nobody has claimed that immunizations are either 100% effective all the time, and/or there are never any side effects.

So other than seemingly trying to bait, what was your last post about again?

My kids had thier vaccinations however I do know of two cases where babies have been brain damaged by them. One is a friend of the family. This little girl is about 7 now and will suffer siezures daily for the rest of her life which Doctors are saying will be short. Just at Christmas time she continued over a three week period to have continual seizures and they almost lost her. She has to be fed with a feeding tube. Due to this incident the family has converted to homeopathic resourses for most of thier illness and prevetion mostly in addition to not immunizing other children in the family. The schools have waivers but you have to ask for them. They do not tell you it is an option to enroll your children without the immunizations but it is.

Originally posted by ChristyZ
My kids had thier vaccinations however I do know of two cases where babies have been brain damaged by them. One is a friend of the family. This little girl is about 7 now and will suffer siezures daily for the rest of her life which Doctors are saying will be short.

That's really tragic, Christy

I do feel for your friend and her family.

Sadly even our safest medicines (and herbal supplements, and/or other holistic treatments) can cause devastating side effects.

I think the main problem is that we plunge into new discoveries without a full grasp of the consequences. This happens all the time in the scientific field. Usually, we do not find the nasty side effects of some amazing discovery until it's become regular and widespread among the public. We're really stupid that way. I've always been glad I skipped out on shots. And having a little foresight in this country and doing something out of the ordinary like that can really cause problems and sometimes legal hassles. It's rediculous. I'm not against immunizing against something that's a present day REAL threat. I mean, the reason they first started doing immunizations was for darn good reasons, diseases that were happening all the time, but now they give you shots for things that are rare and that's just stupid.