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Originally posted by Annacryst
if you put the chart opf people recieveing vaccinations next to a chart of the rise in autism they are exactly the same, nice lil bit of info that might help
Originally posted by blanketgirl
Quest,
Obviously you have had good experiences with doctors/medications. That is great, I am happy for you. Maybe you and your relatives are the perfect people for doctors to work with.
Have you looked into any of the factors outside of vaccines that are leading to longer life spans? Ever thought about sanitation? Nutrition? the MAJOR change in the average quality of life in the past 50-100 years?
My grandmother had 10 kids. None vaccinated, most of the current vaccines weren't even out yet. The first one to die was 50 when he had a heart attack.
I'm sorry your grandmother's children didn't fare so well, but that doesn't mean these diseases hit everybody's families so hard. The vaccines we have today are for diseases that were once just considered normal childhood illnesses, their effects have been glorified to us by the people who make money off the vaccines.
Your doctor gets paid to tell you your children run a severe risk and could die if they aren't vaccinated for X... for example: Why on earth would you vaccinate a newborn for Hepatitus A? They aren't even at risk until they are old enough to need the booster shot which most of them never get.
Vitamins were once considered unhealthy, people didn't have cleaning and disinfecting products shielding their homes from the littlest virus and you used to have more children out working in fields tending animals. People now are broke but more developed countries don't have so many malnutritioned bodies who can't fight off illness like they used to.
Then you can look at something like Polio in the US, after the redid the vaccine because the original was killing people (but remember, it was extensively tested before being released...)
Documented cases of Polio were in rapid decline BEFORE the vaccine was put out. There is no way to know how effective it really was in the population because the disease was on it's way out before it got to any of the people who needed it.
I trust that your grandmother has many wise things to say, but her thinking vaccines are the reason children survive doesn't make it the reality.
Originally posted by QuestForSafety
I think your completely hypocritical, I have FACTS to rely on, such as average of 2 out of 6 children surviving before vaccinations were invented, and now an average of nearly 6/6, with minor decimal problems.
So that's that I guess, if you want to believe your own life experiences over the world's data, then fine, let's go to life experiences.
EVERY child born into my family, distant family, ect, has lived, and has been vaccinated properly, to ensure health.
As for my grandma? She tells me out of 8 kids she had....(Yes she was a baby machine), but I asked her why, she said because back in her day it was just what happened since they didn't have the vaccinations they do today, the kids would get some disease, causing anything from severe high fever, to lack of brain function, then boom, they'd die. Out of all her children she only has 3 left, and she says she can take it more easily, because all the others died when they were young, and she realizes now if she would have known about vaccinations in her time, she would have listened, and had them for her children.
Carpel Tunnel Syndrome.
Let's do surgery! We'll make the channel bigger.
Originally posted by Kushi
All you have to do to get out of vaccinating your children or yourself is make a religious pledge, stating that it is against your religion and morals to get vaccinated. Thats what my mom did.
Originally posted by Tinkleflower
So, we have several observations which support that there's no link, and one or two which suggest there might a link, but only amongst certain children who already have a reduced capacity to excrete certain metals..
I'm still following this up; any and all comments always welcome
Originally posted by QuestForSafety
Like the world WAS.
If you want it back that way fine, and if you feel you need to interfere with your daughters plans, go ahead, but I HOPE you do your research to extreme degrees, beyond old times, and nostalgic memories on the farm, before you make a final consideration.
Originally posted by Tinkleflower
I'm assuming the vaccine will cover A&B? And out of sheer curiosity, is this a requirement before you can send your child to school in the US? (Sorry, I wasn't schooled here - we don't have any such requirements in England!).