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Question "Is any of this stuff made in Israel?" Answer Fine of 6000 $

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posted on Aug, 17 2003 @ 10:27 AM

Originally posted by Jakomo

and Leveller, when you inevitably respond to my post with "you are full of hate blah blah" please include relevant quotes and examples of my apparent hate. And if you're arguing any of my points, please provide links

Don't flatter yourself.
Your post and your points aren't worth replying to.

posted on Aug, 17 2003 @ 01:40 PM

Originally posted by Mokuhadzushi
Mycroft, you posted yourself a "strategy paper" according to which arab settlement and multiplication inside Israel was to lead to a destruction of jewish supremacy in Israel. Also have you ever heard about the land swap "solution" ?

Yep, I did.

But just because someone puts forward a plan and takes steps to carry it out doesn't mean it's a reasonable plan with any chance at success. If you do a search on the internet, you can find US citizens who plan to take down the United States government by not paying their taxes, do you think that will work? Do you think the existence of this plan will prompt the US government to build concentration camps for tax dodgers?

Of course not. If you look at the numbers, Arabs will take over France this way long before they take over Israel.

No, the babies as weapons plan was put forth as an act of desperation. Nothing else is working.

And if you consider the plan, you will notice that its goal is not peace between Arabs and Jews. The goal is not a homeland for the Arabs living in the West Bank. It's goal is the destruction of the state of Israel. If they wanted the other things, the number of Arab babies born inside of Israel would be irrelevent.

Land swap solution? There has been a land swap solution on the table for 55 years, which specific one are you refering to?

posted on Aug, 17 2003 @ 06:23 PM
Moku, I think you and CA posting the same stupid disinformation for months at a time to advance a specific and obvious agenda is insulting to a large amount of people as well. But I know you won't get warned for it

posted on Aug, 17 2003 @ 07:25 PM

Originally posted by Jakomo

How about the systematic detention and marginalization of an entire culture?

Arabic culture is huge. Itís more than a billion people spanning three continents. Israel is tiny, itís not even easy to locate on a globe. How can you say such a tiny people can marginalize such a huge culture?

Originally posted by Jakomo
How about totally disproportionate military responses to individual actions (one suicide bomber takes out 2 people and a cruise missile is shot at a car on a crowded street at rush hour in retaliation)?

How do you deal with an enemy that adopts terrorist tactics and blends in with a civilian population? How do you fight a humane war when those you are fighting against are willing to place their own populations at risk? If you have an answer for that, the leaders and military commanders of the world want to hear from you.

Still, Israel tries. For example, did you know that after the recent Shlomi shelling incident, Israel targeted and hit only the specific gun that fired the shot that killed that Israeli civilian? They didnít target any of the other Hezbolla targets in the area, they didnít even target other guns in the same encampment. Just the one gun that fired the offending shot.

Thatís an astonishing display of both restraint and precision.

Originally posted by Jakomo
And technically the Palestinians DID consider the idea of a land swap but ultimately suggested that any land swap must be on a one-to-one ratio --- with land of equal value and in zones adjacent to the border with Palestine (not separate and isolated) and in the same area as the lands to be annexed by Israel. The Camp David proposal of a 9-to-1 land swap (in Israel's favor) was not going to work.

Land of equal value?

The reason the Israeli land is more valuable is because Israel has spend the past 50 years developing it. This is an Arabic PR smokescreen that looks good an reasonable on paper, until you realize that the land theyíre claiming is inside Isreal.

Ditto for the 9 to 1 ratio. It only comes out as 9 to 1 if you count all the land of Israel as disputed land. Here is an interesting slide-show that illustrates the point:

Originally posted by Jakomo
Mycroft: "Put your mind at ease. Israel has always had a policy of encouraging access to the holy sites of all cultures."

Yes, except they want to completely control that access.

Does this even deserve a response?!

Given the state of political and religious turmoil of the region, can you imagine the irresponsibility of any government in the region not restricting access to holy sites?

Be honest, if some religious zealot, someone with an end-of-times religious fantasy carried out some atrocity, wouldnít you be the first to criticize Israel for not protecting the sites under their control?

posted on Aug, 18 2003 @ 01:48 PM
Clearly most of you have never been to Israel. Pre-1967 when Israel took back Jerusalem jews were not allowed to the Western Wall, which was their holiest site. The site was covered in garbage until the Israelis took it back.

Contrast that to today's Israel controlled Jerusalem... the muslim holy site on the temple mount is not only accessible to them and kept immaculately clean and in good shape, but they have their own damn council regulating it.

I like how that is conveniently forgotten. Moku you've obviously never been there. If you were... well perhaps you were inebriated and forgot. This is obvious to even the casual one time tourist.

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