posted on Aug, 17 2003 @ 08:50 AM
Leveller: So how do you tie in a plan in Nazi Germany, which was never fulfilled, with modern day Israel?
How about the systematic detention and marginalization of an entire culture? How about totally disproportionate military responses to individual
actions (one suicide bomber takes out 2 people and a cruise missile is shot at a car on a crowded street at rush hour in retaliation)? How about
creating a culture of Fear where the enemy is seen as sub-human? Think Warsaw Ghetto meets West Bank.
"The land swap solution dates back to the Camp David Agreement. It was dismissed out of hand by the Palestinians.
It has no bearing on this topic."
Technically, the topic is the fine for boycotting Israel goods. And technically the Palestinians DID consider the idea of a land swap but ultimately
suggested that any land swap must be on a one-to-one ratio --- with land of equal value and in zones adjacent to the border with Palestine (not
separate and isolated) and in the same area as the lands to be annexed by Israel. The Camp David proposal of a 9-to-1 land swap (in Israel's
favor) was not going to work.
It also demanded that Palestinians give up any past or future claim to the occupied portions of Jerusalem.
So don't infer that the Palestinians gave up something incredible that was offered to them. In the Oslo Accords, for example, the "Palestinians
recognized Israeli sovereignty over 78% of historic Palestine (23% more than Israel was actually given after the 1947 UN partition plan)" on the
(erroneous) assumption that the Palestinians would be able to exercise sovereignty over the remaining 22%. So they have made concessions at times.
But any agreement that totally ignores the right to return is not going to work. There is a CLEARLY recognized right (under international law) that
ANY non-combatants who flee during a conflict have the right to return after the conflict is over. By denying it to Palestinian refugees, Israel is
snubbing the rest of the world's opinion.
All this together shows a clear unwillingness on the Israeli (or I guess mostly Zionist) part to ever come to a peaceful solution over the Palestinian
issue. And if I know that, I should be able to show my disdain for it by boycotting any countries' products that support such an illegal
So hey, it is relevant.
Mycroft: "Put your mind at ease. Israel has always had a policy of encouraging access to the holy sites of all cultures."
Yes, except they want to completely control that access.
and Leveller, when you inevitably respond to my post with "you are full of hate blah blah" please include relevant quotes and examples of my
apparent hate. And if you're arguing any of my points, please provide links (please, no .il ones, try to find some less subjective responses).
If you need links to any of my points, go to www.google.com and type in "camp david agreement land swap" in the search box and start reading.
[Edited on 17-8-2003 by Jakomo]