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No Sporty its ratios
Originally posted by Odium
You're more likely to be shot or stabbed in the U.K. then you are in America, it is a fact that the labour government do not like to admit.
As can clearly be seen from the basic statistics, a ban on weapons has given us a death toll from firearms 58% less than the in the USA. Its incontrovertible.
Originally posted by SportyMB
Also just another note, Im sure this applies to the UK as it does to the states....maybe. Gun crime and kinife crimes that end in a death have actually gone down over the past few years.
[edit on 9/6/2005 by SportyMB]
Originally posted by Odium
(U.S) 0.010412874903866727%
(U.K) 0.017653446044492274% of the population get shot to death.
Which shows you're more likely to get shot to death in the U.K. then in the U.S.A. You need to move away from the number of dead to the percentage of dead. As I said, government statistics are made to look good and always will be.
Originally posted by sigung86
I assume then, by what the pro-gun control in England folks are saying is that I am a gun freak. I am not going to get into percentages. I don't have the patience for it. I am simply wondering, bottom line, why such a wonderful group of people (the English) are so willing, as a group, to simply roll over and let anyone run their lives.
I don't have a real problem with you surrendering. It is, after all, your life. I just am wondering where it stops for you. No one in here seems to take individual freedom or individual responsibility for actions or crimes committed into account. Just put everyone in the same light. No one in England has sense or personal recognizance, to be responsible for their actions. So, the solution is to simply assume that everyone is stupid and a criminal oriented individual, and take away their rights so that the sickly/criminal progeny may live and devise other methods to kill with.
Sorry... I still see it as "a", if not, "the" beginning of the end for the Brits as a freedom loving peoples. Mayhap Orwell was right...
Originally posted by arnold_vosloo
All firearms are designed for one perpose only...to kill
There is absolutely no reason for any person in the UK (or for that matter anywhere else) to legally own a firearm. It is not a case of rolling over, the british fully support all gun control because we have no wish to own a gun.
The simple point of it is to make it harder to someone to obtain a firearm which it does if you remove the legal avenue and very few people would have the slightest idea where to get a blackmarket firearm.
Originally posted by Odium
Population Trends 103. Office for National Statistics. London, Spring 2001
Population: 52,689,900 - 7million less then what you give. I doubt the population has gone up that much.
United Nations (1998), United Nations International Study of Firearms Regulation. UN: New York.
The statistics for firearms deaths in England and Wales (although I did say U.K.) do not include shotguns or rifles; to help keep the numbers down. They only include illegal firearms not legal ones. ...
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The murder rates of the U.S. and U.K. are also affected by differences in the way each counts homicides. The FBI asks police to list every homicide as murder, even if the case isn’t subsequently prosecuted or proceeds on a lesser charge, making the U.S. numbers as high as possible. By contrast, the English police "massage down" the homicide statistics, tracking each case through the courts and removing it if it is reduced to a lesser charge or determined to be an accident or self-defense, making the English numbers as low as possible.
Originally posted by Odium
Originally posted by arnold_vosloo
All firearms are designed for one perpose only...to kill
There is absolutely no reason for any person in the UK (or for that matter anywhere else) to legally own a firearm. It is not a case of rolling over, the british fully support all gun control because we have no wish to own a gun.
The simple point of it is to make it harder to someone to obtain a firearm which it does if you remove the legal avenue and very few people would have the slightest idea where to get a blackmarket firearm.
If you would bother to read any of this a lot of British people do not support it, I would like you to display such "full" support?
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Doesn't look like full support to me.
Originally posted by Kriz_4
I still want to see statistics for non lethal firearm injuries in the US, I still believe it will be a massive amount. In the uK, it will be tiny.