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Iraqis Endure Worse Conditions Than Under Saddam, UN Survey Finds

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posted on May, 20 2005 @ 09:13 AM
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A major study by the UN and Iraqi officials found that life in Iraq has decayed significantly since foreign forces invaded, following a general trend seen in most sectors since the imposition of a global embargo in 1990.



May 18 - Responses to a detailed survey conducted by a United Nations agency and the Iraqi government indicate that everyday conditions for Iraqis in the aftermath of the 2003 US-led invasion have deteriorated at an alarming rate, with huge numbers of people lacking adequate access to basic services and resources such as clean water, food, health care, electricity, jobs and sanitation.

"This survey shows a rather tragic situation of the quality of life in Iraq," Barham Salih, Iraq's minister of planning, said in statement, adding: "If you compare this to the situation in the 1980s, you will see a major deterioration."

Researchers determined that some 24,000 Iraqis died as a result of the US-led invasion in 2003 and the first year of occupation. Children below the age of 18 comprised 12 percent of those deaths, according to survey data.

The study also indicates that the invasion and its immediate aftermath forced more than 140,000 Iraqis to flee their homes.

List of Main Problems found by UN and Iraqi officials:

- Child Malnutrition Worsens

- Health Care Facilities Dilapidated, Doctors Frustrated

- Iraqis Lack Safe Water, Sewage Treatment, Electricity

- Literacy in Decline

source:
New Standard News




posted on May, 20 2005 @ 09:54 AM
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Great find Souljah.

This just shows how devastating the insurgent attacks on Iraqi civilians really are. These insurgents deprive the people of Iraq many of life’s basic needs.

How can any rebuilding and upgrading of infrastructure happen when the Iraqi workers and their coalition helpers are under fire from these insurgents?

How much money is the Iraqi government wasting on security protecting Iraqis from these insurgent dogs rather than on critical services?

It’s truly sad that the people of Iraq that have survived Saddams oppression only to be terrorized and abused by these insurgents. Hopefully the new Iraqi government and its coalition help can help the people of Iraq stomp out these animals that continue to add their suffering and deteriating conditions.

Thanks again Souljah for the find.



posted on May, 20 2005 @ 10:21 AM
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Thanks skippytjc!

Here is some points for You:

1. There would be no insurgents, if the US have not invaded Iraq - but lets leave that alone.

2. Its pretty clear that Iraq has gone way out of control, and any hope for a lasting peace is really very small.

3. To start with, this war is based on bunch of Lies - which makes it Illegal.

4. With every day, that this war is going on it is AMERICAN Corporations that make money, not Iraqi people.

5. Imagine how much money goes to Iraq - YOUR money, American taxpayers money not mine - in order to fund the security and arm them.

6. By 2010, war expenses might total $600 billion, according to the Congressional Budget Office - you want your children to pay this billions off?

7. Profit is being made by starting Wars -> Western Corporate Economy rule.

8. The ones who suffer are ofcourse the people in the middle of this - innocent Iraq civilians.

9. There will be resistance, as long as there are US troops in Iraq - which means it wont end, if US troops dont leave this place.

10. With all the billions of USD coming to Iraq, the infrastructure could be rebuilt in NOTIME. So where is all that money going?

11. A typical: "Create Problem - Create Solution - Situation": by creating a constant level of insurgency and instability in Iraq, USArmy has reserved its way in the Middle East for next 10 years at least - well at least until all the natural reserves run out.

12. "If you are not with us, you are with the terrorists!" - people wont forget that statement.



posted on May, 20 2005 @ 10:26 AM
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Originally posted by Souljah
Thanks skippytjc!

Here is some points for You:

1. There would be no insurgents, if the US have not invaded Iraq - but lets leave that alone.

2. Its pretty clear that Iraq has gone way out of control, and any hope for a lasting peace is really very small.

3. To start with, this war is based on bunch of Lies - which makes it Illegal.

4. With every day, that this war is going on it is AMERICAN Corporations that make money, not Iraqi people.

5. Imagine how much money goes to Iraq - YOUR money, American taxpayers money not mine - in order to fund the security and arm them.

6. By 2010, war expenses might total $600 billion, according to the Congressional Budget Office - you want your children to pay this billions off?

7. Profit is being made by starting Wars -> Western Corporate Economy rule.

8. The ones who suffer are ofcourse the people in the middle of this - innocent Iraq civilians.

9. There will be resistance, as long as there are US troops in Iraq - which means it wont end, if US troops dont leave this place.

10. With all the billions of USD coming to Iraq, the infrastructure could be rebuilt in NOTIME. So where is all that money going?

11. A typical: "Create Problem - Create Solution - Situation": by creating a constant level of insurgency and instability in Iraq, USArmy has reserved its way in the Middle East for next 10 years at least - well at least until all the natural reserves run out.

12. "If you are not with us, you are with the terrorists!" - people wont forget that statement.


of course i support pulling troops out but i prefer to wait until the Iraqi security forces are ready to take on the terrorists and insurgents, who knows maybe they can kill Zarqawi better than we. they have the language and culture and can easily infiltrate the cells. thats why its better to wait. dont pull troops out immediately. if we pull out, Zarqawi can easily make Iraq as his new home for global terrorism and maybe even Osama decides to turn Iraq into his new base and the Iraqis will be horrified to see their home as training base and America will have to come back if another 9/11 style attack comes.



posted on May, 20 2005 @ 10:27 AM
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That’s 12 points you just made that totally avoid the fact that its insurgents that kill the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY of civilians in Iraq.

Where is point 13 that explains in detail what they kill thier own inocent people?

Thanks again Souljah for shedding light on how the insurgency is keeping the people of Iraq down.



posted on May, 20 2005 @ 10:35 AM
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Originally posted by skippytjc
That’s 12 points you just made that totally avoid the fact that its insurgents that kill the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY of civilians in Iraq.

Where is point 13 that explains in detail what they kill thier own inocent people?

Thanks again Souljah for shedding light on how the insurgency is keeping the people of Iraq down.


Resistance and Insurgency is a Natural Response to an Invasion - an ILLEGAL invasion of Iraq. What did you expect?

You seem not to understand the situation in Iraq - its on a brink of Civil war, in a very revolutionary time, and in this kind of times, people kill each other.

You sound "so concerned" for Iraq people, when infact you support further death and destruction by supporting your current goverment in their foolish foreign policy.

There can not be Peace without Justice.

So, there you have it - Iraq Burning - who will take the Fires out?

US Army?

Current Iraq Goverment?

World Community?

Russia?

China?

Tell me skippytjc, how would You solve the problem of Iraq?

With more Gunz?

[edit on 20/5/05 by Souljah]



posted on May, 20 2005 @ 10:44 AM
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Originally posted by Souljah

Originally posted by skippytjc
That’s 12 points you just made that totally avoid the fact that its insurgents that kill the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY of civilians in Iraq.

Where is point 13 that explains in detail what they kill thier own inocent people?

Thanks again Souljah for shedding light on how the insurgency is keeping the people of Iraq down.


Resistance and Insurgency is a Natural Response to an Invasion - an ILLEGAL invasion of Iraq. What did you expect?

You seem not to understand the situation in Iraq - its on a brink of Civil war, in a very revolutionary time, and in this kind of times, people kill each other.

You sound "so concerned" for Iraq people, when infact you support further death and destruction by supporting your current goverment in their foolish foreign policy.

There can not be Peace without Justice.

So, there you have it - Iraq Burning - who will take the Fires out?

US Army?

Current Iraq Goverment?

World Community?

Russia?

China?

Tell me skippytjc, how would You solve the problem of Iraq?

With more Gunz?

[edit on 20/5/05 by Souljah]


are you surprise that its on the brink of civil war? if you look back at history between Kurds and Shiites and Sunnis its not surprise, look at the demography. Kurds live in north, Shiites in south, Sunnis in middle makes you wonder why they live that way. civil war was going to come sooner or later, it was a delay. but since Zarqawi decided to kill a couple of Shiites to incite sectarian war you should thank him for lighting up the fire.



posted on May, 20 2005 @ 10:55 AM
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Originally posted by deltaboy
are you surprise that its on the brink of civil war? if you look back at history between Kurds and Shiites and Sunnis its not surprise, look at the demography. Kurds live in north, Shiites in south, Sunnis in middle makes you wonder why they live that way. civil war was going to come sooner or later, it was a delay. but since Zarqawi decided to kill a couple of Shiites to incite sectarian war you should thank him for lighting up the fire.

Nope - I am not surprised at all, I am just warning you all, that cannot see it!

Actually Civil war is what your goverment is Hoping for - because that means more fighting and more shooting - which means more money.

So, basicly all 3 ethinc/culture groups that are the REAL victims here, can do all the dying, while the Corporations do all the Money Laundry.

Great!

You think Al-Zarkawi MAKES MONEY in war in Iraq?

I don think so....



posted on May, 20 2005 @ 11:06 AM
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Originally posted by Souljah
1. There would be no insurgents, if the US have not invaded Iraq - but lets leave that alone.

3. To start with, this war is based on bunch of Lies - which makes it Illegal.


Point 1 - If the insurgents are really fighting against the United States forces, then why do they kill many, many more Iraqis than U.S. Soldiers. My guess is that armored soldiers that shoot back are harder to kill. - Lazy Cowards!

You'll see the same scenario played out with Hammas. "Let's bomb a restaurant or a bus of unarmed college students." Funny thing is that Hammas doesn't seem to target their own people. Who would do that? Maybe these insurgents aren't really from Iraq?



Point 3 -
"justice is the interest of the stronger party." (Might is right) - Thrasymachus

I'm sure you've heard that "History is written by the winners". Are you insinuating that there is a Higher Power? Some moral standard that we should all live up to? Man! And here I thought we were just highly evolved animals. Survival of the fittest right?

The hypocrisy of the liberal media kills me. Evolution is a fact, there is no higher creating power, and yet we must measure up to some divine standard of right and wrong.


[edit on 20-5-2005 by dbates]



posted on May, 20 2005 @ 11:07 AM
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Originally posted by Souljah

Originally posted by deltaboy
are you surprise that its on the brink of civil war? if you look back at history between Kurds and Shiites and Sunnis its not surprise, look at the demography. Kurds live in north, Shiites in south, Sunnis in middle makes you wonder why they live that way. civil war was going to come sooner or later, it was a delay. but since Zarqawi decided to kill a couple of Shiites to incite sectarian war you should thank him for lighting up the fire.

Nope - I am not surprised at all, I am just warning you all, that cannot see it!

Actually Civil war is what your goverment is Hoping for - because that means more fighting and more shooting - which means more money.

So, basicly all 3 ethinc/culture groups that are the REAL victims here, can do all the dying, while the Corporations do all the Money Laundry.

Great!

You think Al-Zarkawi MAKES MONEY in war in Iraq?

I don think so....


i doubt the government wants the civil war, and Zarqawi is more into an Islamic Empire not money. to him he has money from Osama.



posted on May, 20 2005 @ 11:53 AM
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Its easier to scape goat than to adress the issue......

Its also easier to go off topic than stay on topic....



posted on May, 20 2005 @ 12:04 PM
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Originally posted by dbates
Point 1 - If the insurgents are really fighting against the United States forces, then why do they kill many, many more Iraqis than U.S. Soldiers. My guess is that armored soldiers that shoot back are harder to kill. - Lazy Cowards!

Well, the Insurgency was created by the invasion - a natural course.

Thats the Answer for the Invasion - Iraqi people killing each other, and taking US soldiers with them.



You'll see the same scenario played out with Hammas. "Let's bomb a restaurant or a bus of unarmed college students." Funny thing is that Hammas doesn't seem to target their own people. Who would do that? Maybe these insurgents aren't really from Iraq?

You got it Wrong here - its not like Hammas at all. The opposing sides in this civil war are ethnic-religious groups, and they fight each other, because somebody opened up their old wounds. To them, they are not "their own people" - they are the opposing people. Yes, they were once all Iraqi people, but now they dont want that anymore. Sooner or later each of these three groups will have their own independant country, since obviiously they canNOT live with each other anymore.

The problem with the Palestine - Isreali conflict is similar in some way, when talking about a struggle of two religous groups. The US just stirred some old, unresolved ethnic problems, and now they are blaming the Insurgency for it. Well, they CREATED this problem - where is the SOLUTION? A False Democracy? Free Election? Open Market? Invasion of American Corporations? Oil Scandals? Abu Gharib Abuses? Guantanamo Bay? Are these actions Part of the Solution or Part of the Problem?



Point 3 -
"justice is the interest of the stronger party." (Might is right) - Thrasymachus

I'm sure you've heard that "History is written by the winners". Are you insinuating that there is a Higher Power?

I am sure there IS a Higher Power - and sooner or later what you do, comes back to you.

Thats how it works.

Here is some JUSTICE Quotes for You:

Poverty is the mother of crime. Marcus Aurelius

Corn can't expect justice from a court composed of chickens. African Proverb

War makes thieves and peace hangs them. George Herbert



posted on May, 20 2005 @ 12:06 PM
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Originally posted by devilwasp
Its easier to scape goat than to adress the issue......

Its also easier to go off topic than stay on topic....

Agreed.

It is easier to commit murder than to justify it. Aemilius Papinianus



posted on May, 20 2005 @ 12:09 PM
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Originally posted by deltaboy
i doubt the government wants the civil war, and Zarqawi is more into an Islamic Empire not money. to him he has money from Osama.

Guess who GIVES the money to Osama?



"The Circle is Complete."



posted on May, 20 2005 @ 12:20 PM
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Originally posted by Souljah
Guess who GIVES the money to Osama?



"The Circle is Complete."


Various organizations including businesses, Mosques, and some countries like Iran and Syria.



posted on May, 20 2005 @ 12:23 PM
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Originally posted by skippytjc

Originally posted by Souljah
Guess who GIVES the money to Osama?



"The Circle is Complete."


Various organizations including businesses, Mosques, and some countries like Iran and Syria.


...dont forget dear old SAUDI ARABIA - and ofcourse the United States, that gave so much money to Osama, sp that he can "keep up the fight" for years...

Endless War - Empire's Wet Dream!

[edit on 20/5/05 by Souljah]



posted on May, 20 2005 @ 12:53 PM
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Originally posted by Souljah

Originally posted by skippytjc

Originally posted by Souljah
Guess who GIVES the money to Osama?



"The Circle is Complete."


Various organizations including businesses, Mosques, and some countries like Iran and Syria.


...dont forget dear old SAUDI ARABIA - and ofcourse the United States, that gave so much money to Osama, sp that he can "keep up the fight" for years...

Endless War - Empire's Wet Dream!

[edit on 20/5/05 by Souljah]


Osama makes money from the drugs since he aint getting enought money from the charities that suppose to be for the Muslim children but then he dont care about that except his dream of the Islamic empire. but in ani case thats just life for everybody.



posted on May, 20 2005 @ 12:59 PM
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Originally posted by skippytjc
That’s 12 points you just made that totally avoid the fact that its insurgents that kill the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY of civilians in Iraq.


Are they? How many do they kill? The confirmed number of civilian deaths in Iraq to date as a direct result of US or allied action is from 21,705 - 24,628 people. (Considerably more than were killed in 9/11.)

"Does your count include deaths from indirect causes?"

Each side can readily claim that indirectly-caused deaths are the "fault" of the other side or, where long-term illnesses and genetic disorders are concerned, "due to other causes." Our methodology requires that specific deaths attributed to US-led military actions are carried in at least two reports from our approved sources. This includes deaths resulting from the destruction of water treatment plants or any other lethal effects on the civilian population. The test for us remains whether the bullet (or equivalent) is attributed to a piece of weaponry where the trigger was pulled by a US or allied finger, or is due to "collateral damage" by either side (with the burden of responsibility falling squarely on the shoulders of those who initiate war without UN Security Council authorization). We agree that deaths from any deliberate source are an equal outrage, but in this project we want to only record those deaths to which we can unambiguously hold our own leaders to account. In short, we record all civilians deaths attributed to our military intervention in Iraq.


Source: www.iraqbodycount.net...

-koji K.

[edit on 20-5-2005 by koji_K]

[edit on 20-5-2005 by koji_K]



posted on May, 20 2005 @ 01:10 PM
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Originally posted by koji_K

Are they? How many do they kill? The confirmed number of civilian deaths in Iraq to date as a direct result of US or allied action is from 21,705 - 24,628 people. (Considerably more than were killed in 9/11.)


[edit on 20-5-2005 by koji_K]


Thats a joke right? Satire? It MUST be a joke. You cannot be serious. How many dozens of Iraqi's die each day by Isurgent and terrorist bombings? Every single day?

Koji, come back to reality.



posted on May, 20 2005 @ 01:17 PM
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Originally posted by skippytjc

Originally posted by koji_K

Are they? How many do they kill? The confirmed number of civilian deaths in Iraq to date as a direct result of US or allied action is from 21,705 - 24,628 people. (Considerably more than were killed in 9/11.)


[edit on 20-5-2005 by koji_K]


Thats a joke right? Satire? It MUST be a joke. You cannot be serious. How many dozens of Iraqi's die each day by Isurgent and terrorist bombings? Every single day?

Koji, come back to reality.


I don't know, that's why I'm asking you. You seem to know that the figure exceeds that caused by the U.S., so again, I ask what is the figure, and where are you getting your information from? I can't find figures anywhere for deaths resulting from insurgent acts.

Here's another interesting fact I came across:

One study done by public health experts from the Lancet medical journal published on October 29th of 2004, found that an estimated 100,000 Iraqi civilians had died since the US invasion began. A survey was taken from nearly 1000 Iraqi households in which the residents were asked how many people lived there and how many births and deaths there had been since the war began. They then compared the death rate with the average from the 15 months before the war. Experts from both the US and Iraq found that Iraqi civilians were 2.5 times more likely to die after the invasion. They also found that most of the violent deaths were due to air-strikes by coalition forces.

Source: en.wikipedia.org...

-koji K.

[edit on 20-5-2005 by koji_K]



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