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Originally posted by persian
Even US air force had been using their upgrade f14s until couple of years ago and the only reason they decided to discard them was because of their high maintenance cost.
Originally posted by Element
And AIM-54 phoenix wasnt ONLY supposed to intercept Bombers, but fighters aswell... The F-14 main mission are BARCAP. That is defending the CVN's against ANY flying threat.
Originally posted by Harlequin
its unfortunate that you have never served in the air force , like i do - otherwise you would consider many aircrfat types you summarily dismiss as `useless` far more dangerous.
A few Iranian F-14s are believed to have been shot down during the war, with the Iranian F-14s claiming a small number of kills of their own. It is known that the Soviet Union obtained both the F-14 and the Phoenix missile for reverse-engineering from Iran. It is unclear if this was done by the Iranian Islamic Republic's government or by a defecting Iranian pilot. F-14 technology may have influenced development of the Soviet MiG-31 "Foxhound" or "Super Foxbat", and it seems very likely that the Phoenix had a strong influence on the Soviet "AA-9 Amos" AAM, since the two missiles closely resemble each other externally.
At least some F-14s were lost in action, but the claims of the two sides are in poor agreement, as is always the case in warfare. Iraq claims some 11 kills...
Meanwhile, Iran claims that the F-14 accounted for 35 to 45 kills against the Iraqi Air Force for only one shot down. Iran has admitted to up to 12 further losses, but claims they all resulted from engine stall during dogfights rather than enemy fire. Though the claims of neither side have been verified, F-14s are known to have accounted for 3 air-to-air kills against Iraqi aircraft, including two Mirage F1s and a MiG-21. Western estimates for the true kill-loss ratio attained by the F-14 during the conflict credit 4 kills against 4 or 5 losses.
While Iran has managed to keep at least a portion of its Western aircraft in service, the status of the vaunted Phoenix missile is still debated. Most sources indicate that none were used during the Iran-Iraq War owing to their supposed sabotage while others claim that up to 25 Iraqi planes were downed by AIM-54s before Iran exhasuted its supply in 1986. Regardless, the aircraft is still able to fire AIM-7 Sparrow and AIM-9 Sidweinder missiles, and typically carries four AIM-7s and two AIM-9s for air-to-air operations. Iran is reportedly developing a domestic version of the Sparrow to replace its stock of expended missiles.
Originally posted by Seekerof
BTW, in case you are not aware, he is one man, alnog with Mr. Bishop.
As such, I am implying that he is one among countless credible other sources on the Iranian air force and thier F-14s.
as posted by Sep
Can you please mention the names of a few other authors who spent a decade in Iran and spoke to Iranian pilots and saw Iranian planes with their own eyes.
I have read the dubious claims and assertions in the book that Mr. Cooper and the Iranian national, Mr. Bishop [that Cooper claims and asserts has access to Iranian and Iraqi documentation(s), along with claims of knowing or having air force contacts in supposedly three countries] have written.
as posted by Seekerof
I am not buying half of it. Btw, he claims and asserts that Iran has reversed engineered the Phoenix missile and made an improved version that is fire and forget. Got a link to those missiles? Are they described and named in the book? Not likely. Why? State secret? Please. More like hype.
How come Mr. Cooper fails to mention how often the Iranians practice at BVR, ACM, or Defense Counter Air? How come he fails to mention how often those F-14s are actually being currently flown? Fails to mention how many in-air flight time hours those Iranian F-14 pilots get? How often those pilots practice their BFM skills?
as posted by Sep
...go to the site I mentioned several times...
Recent books by Tom Cooper and Farzad Bishop seem to suggest that the Iranian use of the Tomcat might have been more effective than had been previously reported. These books report that during the Iran-Iraq war Iranian Tomcat crews scored numerous AIM-54 kills, that there were several Tomcat aces with over 8 kills, and that there were over 100 total victory claims.
It is extremely difficult to get any reliable estimates of just how many Iranian F-14As were in service at any one time during the war. Western intelligence estimates tended to put the number of serviceable Tomcats flying with the IRIAF at a very low level, often less than ten, with planes having been deliberately cannibalized to keep at least a few flying. In the summer of 1984, the Pentagon estimated that Iran could field only 15-20 Tomcats, maintaining them largely by cannibalization. Iranian sources tended to discount these Western estimates as "imperialist propaganda", and placed the number of in-service Tomcats at a much higher value.
Another indication that Western intelligence may have consistently underestimated Iranian capabilities in this area may have taken place on February 11, 1985, when no less than 25 Iranian F-14A Tomcats took place in a mass flypast over Teheran. In spite of the Western arms embargo, Iran seems to have been able to maintain a more-or-less steady supply of spare parts for its fleet of Tomcats, Phantoms, and F-5Es. Some of these parts seem to have been smuggled into Iran by collusion with Israel. Some may have come in as a result of the "arms-for-hostages" deal in which the US government supplied arms to Iran in exchange for its assistance in getting hostages held in Lebanon released.
The Phoenix missiles and/or their guidance avionics were reportedly rendered inoperative by sabotage before the war began and have not been operational since. There are no reports of any Phoenix missiles being fired during the Iran-Iraq war. However, the AN/AWG-9 radar did remain operational, and the Iranian Tomcats could still fire AIM-7 and AIM-9 missiles. Most IRIAF Tomcats flew with a missile load of four Sparows and two Sidewinders.