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Good plan, ubermunche. But if you don’t have any evidence, all you can do is conjecture. And while conjecture may be a fun thing to do while you’re sitting around the fire in the study or in front of your computer, it’s not going to give you any answers. You know that. So why not come up with evidence?
Originally posted by Gazrok
Oh but they have. Problem is, they contradict themselves. For example, in Roswell they said they had captured a flying disc, press report right from the base commander (Blanchard).
Originally posted by mrmulder
1. That all alien abductions are hoaxes or illusions?
2. All UFO sighting are hoaxes, illusions or something that can be explained?
3. All witnesses who have come forward: Civilian, Military and Government are lying or crazy? (Hmmm... That's ALOT of people)
Originally posted by Hal9000
OTS, I will agree that not every sighting are space guys. But it only takes one sighting that is true for the hypothesis to be correct.
Referring to the best evidence from military witnesses, are you willing to accept that every sighting and radar return is wrong? I know people in the military are just people to, but they are trained to identify craft and operate radar equipment. I find it hard to believe every event was a mistake.
So let's assume that something happened, and now try to figure out what it is. By the witnesses accounts, they say they must be intelligently controlled and the technology far surpasses our own. They are able to disable equipment (nukes), for some unknown reason. They have also watched on radar a UFO overtake aircraft, which are never seen again.
What other explanation could there be? IMO, either they are space guys, which the witnesses also think, or something else. I keep my mind open when trying to figure this out. I will say that it could something else, possibly time travelers, which would be no less fantastic.
But if you believe that every account was a mistake, then it would still be worth investigating to find out why everyone is hallucinating or why the equipment doesn't work right. Even the official investigation Project Blue Book has around 700 unexplained sightings. But the conclusion is that there's nothing to it? IMO, to say there’s nothing to it is being ignorant.
Originally posted by sigung86
Originally posted by Hal9000
OTS, I will agree that not every sighting are space guys. But it only takes one sighting that is true for the hypothesis to be correct.
That is true, but even at that, unless you can garner the proof that one sighting is correct, you just simply have no way to validate that one event
Referring to the best evidence from military witnesses, are you willing to accept that every sighting and radar return is wrong? I know people in the military are just people to, but they are trained to identify craft and operate radar equipment. I find it hard to believe every event was a mistake.
True enough, but even if they are all not mistaken, we have no evidence that they are the "space guys from arcturus"... or whatever.
So let's assume that something happened, and now try to figure out what it is. By the witnesses accounts, they say they must be intelligently controlled and the technology far surpasses our own. They are able to disable equipment (nukes), for some unknown reason. They have also watched on radar a UFO overtake aircraft, which are never seen again.
Still absolutely no evidence that it is space guys. We keep invoking Occam, which would be very well and good, if we knew all there was to know. However, what if ... What if, the real solution is something that is absolutely beyond our current ability to even come up with a reasonable hypothesis?
What other explanation could there be? IMO, either they are space guys, which the witnesses also think, or something else. I keep my mind open when trying to figure this out. I will say that it could something else, possibly time travelers, which would be no less fantastic.
Here again, you are implying a solution based on best guess and have no way to either validate, or invalidate your conclusion, other than by saying, "Well! It's gotta be something"!
Certainly, there is something there, but there is no proof, or even evidence, to give more than a conjecture that it is something within your paradigm.
What is it? I dunno! Could even be something that I don't have enough intelligence to comprehend. There simply is not proof that it is anything I even dream or could fantasize about.
I was applying Occum's Razor to all the sightings in general, not one in particular. Saying that the simplest answer to all the sightings is that there is something going on.
We just had this conversation, when we talked about Occam’s razor. By the way, I don’t see you commenting on the Occam’s razor exercise; do you agree that using Occam supports my assertions rather than yours? Why or why not?
The Mexican Air Force UFO was clearly FLIR images of oils wells in the Gulf of Mexico. Look at my posts in that thread for all the proof you need.
Originally posted by Echtelion
As for the 1982 incident, it's 1986, not 1982. Sorry for misleading you. It was the JAL Flight 1628 sighting. And there were only pilots, since it was a cargo plane. The FAA was'nt able to debunk the sighting, or neither give any down-to-earth explanation of it, aside from some stupid guesses from skeptic journalists, like that they saw Jupiter