Russian activist and Putin critic Alexei Navalny dies in prison

originally posted by: Kenzo
a reply to: ufoorbhunter

Navalny was deliberately brought to a state of near death that it makes no difference. it was always Putin's intention that he should die, like all the other opposition figures Putin threw into prison after his goons failed to murder them. Let's not get distracted from that with a debate on exactly how he died, murder is the system which has been used all the years Putin has been in power .

Totally see where you are there Kenzo, the chemicals are a bit strong at work today, Sorry mate. Sometimes shoot from the hip

a reply to: ufoorbhunter

You're a good 'un orb.

Since his near-fatal poisoning in Siberia last August, many headlines, opinion columns, and talk shows in Ukraine have posed what they put as a central question: Is Navalny good for Ukraine?

Speaking on Ukrainian television shortly after Navalny was arrested upon return to Russia last month, Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba supported protesters' calls for his release and echoed a sentiment shared by many of his compatriots, saying, "the enemy of my enemy is my friend."

Yet he also cautioned against romanticizing Navalny as a figure and insisted he would need to apologize on behalf of his country and work to return Crimea if he were to end up in a position of power.

"There should be no illusions here," Kuleba said.
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Well, today we have 10s of 1000s+ Ukrainian nationalists celebrating Navalny’s death as he was a Russian nationalist.

And as a finger opportunity at Putin before the election. Interesting timing to say the least.

It’s not the first time Ukraine harped or even bragged about going in Russia and taking out rivals

U.S. believes Ukraine was behind killing of Dugina in Russia, NYT says

www.reuters.com...

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: CarlLaFong

Sorry mate, but this has nothing whatsoever to do with either Trump or Biden.

Sure it does.
This is how dictatorships work.
Trump up charges and arrest your political opponents, subject them to a kangaroo court trial...and hope they die in prison.

Putin and Biden are following the same playbook.

a reply to: Imhere

He was in a prison camp in Siberia. The Kremlin must be very incompetent if they let a Ukrainian assassination squad cross the majority of the country and infiltrate a government facility.

a reply to: Imhere

So, you're implying that somehow Ukraine managed to get to Navalny in deepest, darkest Russia and kill him.

And you think that at present killing Navalny is at the top of their list of priorities?

You seem to becoming more or more desperate in your attempts to support Putin and his regime.

a reply to: gortex

Yes according to the German doctors who treated him.

i was pretty sure that they figured out it was a russian nerve agent Novichok ,

The German authorities said they never doubted the conclusions of military scientists in Germany, who had reported discovering traces of Novichok in biological samples taken from Mr. Navalny, as well as on a plastic water bottle from his hotel that was smuggled out of Russia by his aides.
Nerve Agent Was Used to Poison Navalny, Chemical Weapons Body Confirms

Novichok (Russian: Новичо́к, lit. 'newcomer, novice, newbie'[1]) is a family of nerve agents, some of which are binary chemical weapons. The agents were developed at the GosNIIOKhT state chemical research institute by the Soviet Union and Russia between 1971 and 1993.[2][3][4][5][a] Some Novichok agents are solids at standard temperature and pressure, while others are liquids. Dispersal of solid form agents is thought possible if in ultrafine powder state.[7]
Novichok

Another dead criminal.

Who cares.

a reply to: CarlLaFong

If Trump and all other Republican or non-Democrats are prevented from standing against Biden in November, journalists who oppose Biden are imprisoned and all non-Democratic publications are banned then I'd agree with the comparison.

If anti-Biden supporters start falling from tall buildings and start trying to fly unaided through windows or mysteriously receive a fatal dose of polonium or Novichok then I'd agree with the comparison.

If all anti government protests are banned and Freedom of Speech and Thought becomes a thing punishable by death then I'd agree with the comparison.

Until then I'd say it really is a bit of a stretch comparing Biden to Putin.

I'm no great fan of Biden, at all, but come on mate.......

originally posted by: ufoorbhunter
a reply to: CriticalStinker

See where you're coming. Lost the plot on this one

All good, kudos for being open enough to it that you saw we were talking about past incidents instead of implying that the evidence is on this one yet.

a reply to: Maybenexttime

His crime was fleeing to Germany to seek medical treatment after being poisoned with Novichok by the Kremlin.

Tucker Carlsson : Leadership requires killing people


Q: In your interview with Putin, you didn’t talk about freedom of speech in Russia, you did not talk about Navalny, about assassinations Tucker Carlson: Leadership requires killing people

Tucker Carlson gushes over Vladimir Putin and defends not asking him about civil rights abuses in Russia

originally posted by: Maybenexttime
Another dead criminal.

Who cares.

Were the crimes political, or do you think humanity would agree having an opinion and being a dissident is a crime?

a reply to: Freeborn

Meanwhile, Trump is arguing in court that a President can kill whoever they want and face no kind of punishment.

European leaders give their reaction to the news.

French President Emmanuel Macron said that in Russia "free spirits are sent to the Gulag and condemned to death" as he shared his "anger and indignation" in a post on X.

"I pay tribute to the memory of Alexei Navalny, his dedication, his courage. My thoughts go out to his family, loved ones and to the Russian people," Macron added.

Poland's Foreign Minister, Radoslaw Sikorski, told the BBC's Chief International Correspondent Lyse Doucet that Navalny would be remembered as "the best Russian president that Russia never had".

He said Navalny was a "victim of Russian fascism" and that he was "beyond brave" in facing Putin. He added that even if no-one "pulled the trigger", it was the conditions that were created for him that killed him as he was imprisoned on fake charges.

Meanwhile Italian Foreign Minister Antonio Tajani said on X that Navalny died "after years of persecution in prison" adding that the Italian government "will always be at the side of those who fight for democracy, for freedom of thought and for the inalienable rights of every human being".

Estonian Prime Minister Kaja Kallas, who has just been added to Russia's wanted list, said on X that Navalny's death was "yet another dark reminder of the rogue regime we’re dealing with – and why Russia and all those responsible must be held accountable for each of their crimes".
www.bbc.co.uk...

a reply to: ufoorbhunter

All good

Interesting that none of these people cared when an American citizen was tortured and murdered in a Ukrainian prison last month.

originally posted by: Threadbarer
a reply to: Freeborn

Meanwhile, Trump is arguing in court that a President can kill whoever they want and face no kind of punishment.

Looks like the Biden/Putin and Trump/Navalny comparisons are 'on topic' after all.

Thanks, OP

They Epstein'd him. They damn Kennedy'd Him. They Willie McRae'd him. Oh well, at least they didn't Assange him.

Everyone else killed Navalny not Russia according to Speaker of the Russian State Duma

State Duma speaker Vyacheslav Volodin is the latest Russian official to weigh in on Navalny's death, blaming Western leaders.

"All of them, their names are well-known, from the Nato secretary-general and the US leadership to Scholz, Sunak and Zelensky, are guilty of Navalny's death," the politician said on his Telegram channel.

"It is they who have made a huge number of failed decisions and cling to their positions who benefit from his death."
www.bbc.co.uk...

Errrm , OK ?