Question - What is the US Taxpayer Getting for their $113 Billion Investment in the Ukraine?

a reply to: FlyersFan

It's not all cash?

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: FlyersFan
It's not all cash?

Okay ... got it. Thanks.

ETA .. this link previously given was helpful to me.
Ukraine aid’s best-kept secret: Most of the money stays in the U.S.A.

a reply to: FlyersFan


The original source is maybe this, but it`s behind paywall

Ukraine aid’s best-kept secret: Most of the money stays in the U.S.A.

originally posted by: AlexandrosOMegas
You must not know that the Cold War ended long ago and you give Putin no kudos for all the good things he had done for America and to promote free movement of information while we live in our shielded and censor filled state.

Of course I know the Cold War ended and AMERICA won not Russia and the head of the KGB would want this way of life back!
Russia's annexation of Crimea was one of the first steps to rebuilding the former Soviet Union!Putin has done more to continue to restrict freedoms, build a regime condemned by human rights advocates!

I am guessing your not American since you are actually defending a Dictator? 24 years is a long time to be the head of a country don't you think?

a reply to: FlyersFan

Yes.

From your source:

"In other words, as happens with foreign military aid, our aid to Ukraine is not only creating American jobs but also reinvigorating our dangerously atrophied defense industrial base. Vance said in October that “the condition of the American defense industrial base is a national scandal. Repairing it is among our most urgent priorities.” Well, our aid to Ukraine is doing exactly that".

Kinda my point.

Some folk seem to think we are wiring all this as cash to Zelensky.

originally posted by: Creaky
a reply to: Therealbeverage

As an Australian, would prefer the Russian/Putin Yoke over the US/Democrat criminal cabal
The world is fast losing respect for the US
In 2013 I asked on here the possibilities of another US civil war, it seems probable
(If the boarder issues are to be believed)

Of course any country that threw out the right to bear arms will welcome a dictator! And yes Russia and Putin would be subversively pushing for a Civil War as it is easier to prop up a Dictator! Trust me this is not what the world will want!

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: FlyersFan

What is the US Taxpayer Getting for the $3.3 billion given to Israel per year.

The US and Israel do over 50 billion per year in trade while its VERY liberal to say that we do sub 1 billion with Ukraine. Yet the deficit recently is well, high.

originally posted by: FlyersFan


WHAT is the American tax payer getting for their $113 Billion investment in the Ukraine?
AND WHY are we the ones footing the big bill on this?

Ukraine isn't NATO and we don't have an agreement with them.

We're getting dead Russian soldiers and a depleted Russian military at bargain prices.

And we are not the only ones footing the bill. In fact we contribute just under 50% of the total military aid. None of the F-16s will come from the US.

We DO have an agreement with Ukraine. It's called the Budapest Memorandum. In 1994, Ukraine, the US, the UK, and Russia all signed it and agreed to recognize Ukraine's borders as they existed at that time. In return, Ukraine gave up and destroyed 1,700 nuclear weapons in their possession. As part of that agreement, the US and UK said they would "assure" the integrity or those borders, short of directly sending combat troops to face Russian troops. That's what we're doing now.

a reply to: Therealbeverage

Huh, that’s so funny
They stole an election off the people of the US and nothing
Substituted an evil corrupted government and nothing
They will steal your guns and … nothing
Just wait, just watch

People talk big, just talk

How about doing the right thing should be justification enough.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: FlyersFan

It's not like it's all cash, though.

It's more of an accounting exercise for the "value" of weapons supplied.

Like stuff that would have been decommissioned, at considerable cost anyway.

You’re from the UK right Carpy?

I’d be interested to hear your justification if it was the UK’s tax payer money going there.

originally posted by: Vermilion

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: FlyersFan

It's not like it's all cash, though.

It's more of an accounting exercise for the "value" of weapons supplied.

Like stuff that would have been decommissioned, at considerable cost anyway.

You’re from the UK right Carpy?

I’d be interested to hear your justification if it was the UK’s tax payer money going there.

The UK is providing aid to Ukraine.

a reply to: Vermilion

We are doing what we can.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Vermilion

We are doing what we can.

I understand that. The UK is truly a great ally.

I’m interested in your opinion if the UK aid was to the tune of $113,000,000,000

originally posted by: Vermilion

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Vermilion

We are doing what we can.

I understand that. The UK is truly a great ally.

I’m interested in your opinion if the UK aid was to the tune of $113,000,000,000

The US has almost 5 times the population and 7 times the GDP.

a reply to: FlyersFan

Super Yachts

a reply to: Vermilion

The US is a bit bigger than the UK?

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Vermilion

The US is a bit bigger than the UK?

It’s telling that suddenly you have no opinion on that amount of money going over there if it was from your country. Carry on.

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Didn't the SBU just arrest a bunch of people involved with embezzling 40 million from a contract for 1,000,000 mortar rounds? So why were Ukrainians able to embezzle this money when we don't send it out and it stays here to pay US defense contractors?

Just a cover-up, really.

Decades of filth and corruption, the US and other government using Ukraine to funnel money around the world.

We even saw the evidence of Biden doing it right before the war "suddenly" started.


Now under the fog of war, I'm sure all the people that needed to be killed to cover up those crimes have been, and all of the documents are in buildings that have been burned to the ground.