Originally posted by dh
Yeah - and why were they so hot
The firefighters in the buildings reported that the fires were almost out - shortly prior to the collapse
People were photographed standing in the wounds of the buildings seeking help shortly before the collapse - evidence of raging fires?
An extra element was needed to provide the collapse, the continual smouldering and molten steel

Originally posted by spliff4020
I'd also like to know what makes people here experts in how buildings that have had jet liners crash into them collapse. People talk about this like it is well known knowledge. Amazing, as I cant remember ever seeing that happen before.

Originally posted by spiritdancer
My 2 cents worth on this: I had a friend in Israel, in the Israeli army at that time. He had plans to come to America in August-September, I was supposed to meet him, however, he wanted me to meet him someplace that I could drive to. He was insistent that I not fly. I thought he was nuts at the time. How did he now it was not an international flight? That just sealed it in my mind that somebody here had to know it was planned.

Originally posted by Hajduk
I personally do not believe that the U.S. governement actually conducted the attacks, but the thought had crossed my mind that perhaps they allowed them to happen.

There's nothing like a national trajedy to increase the power of the government. I'm not saying that is what happened, but I wouldn't write off the possibility either. Terrorist plots are discovered and nullified all the time, but it wouldn't be too hard to let one get through if the powers that be thought it was for the greater good of the nation. Similar to how many war supporters feel that the colateral loss of civilians in Iraq serves a greater good - such decisions are made all the time by governments.

I could see some high ranking U.S. politicians thinking that a 9/11 scale attack would create sympathy for the U.S. and allow the U.S. to increase its projection of power without opposition - at least for a little while.

Again, I am not sure that this is what happened, but I do think it is worth consideration. We do know that in the summer before 9/11, there was talk of invading Afghanistan (which I am sure must have been discussed here before...). 9/11 sure would have created global support for that cause (which it did).

Originally posted by spliff4020

Global support to invade Afghanistan?? LOL...Not a chance. We could have easily went in there and did as we pleased. The rest of the world knew what was going on in there and were to chicken s*** to do anything (as usual). No need to kill off 3000 of our own people.

Originally posted by syntaxer
Spliff420.. If we we're discover WTC7 was in fact imploded by demolition, if some guy was to have documented evidence that produced some kind of paper trail etc. then would you agree that 911 was an inside job?

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird

Originally posted by syntaxer
Spliff420.. If we we're discover WTC7 was in fact imploded by demolition, if some guy was to have documented evidence that produced some kind of paper trail etc. then would you agree that 911 was an inside job?

Ok, let's say undeniably true documents come out stating that WTC7 was imploded by demolition.

.....So what?

Reports are that it was more damaged (from the debris) than they first thought. Plus the fires were going on for hours. It was a condemned building anyway. Where's the conspiricy in tearing down a
building that needed to be and would have been torn down?

Originally posted by Boatphone
If the government wanted to destroy WTC7 why not just crash planes into that building...WTC7, come on......

Originally posted by syntaxer
I do know that thousands of real experts are well aware that no building has ever crashed due to mild damage from falling debris, or the collapse of a modern building caused by a few office fires without the presence of... of.. JET FUEL!.. Get real man.. the perfect pancake implosion of WTC7 was caused by design flaws of diesel fuel generators? How do you justify the collapse of WTC7 when the building fell after suffering a few hours from fires?

Originally posted by Sunofone
someone else tried to imply that design differences were the reason that the wtc failed and the windsor tower didnt--they were both made of concrete and steel period

the facts are the designer himself minoura yamasaki claimed the buildings were designed to take multiple hits from 707's which contain "more" potential energy that 767's

Originally posted by TxSecret
No wierdy.. Your the one that's sad, but I digress. I don't want to stoop to the flame troll level.