Recently I've been involved in some "discussions" on here pertaining to 9/11 conpiricies. I, myself, am skepitcal. For this I've been labled and idiot, sheep and everything else. I used to scream and yell about it but as of late, I just read the posts and move on.

When I first joined here I believed that our own government was responsible for the attacks. I followed all the threads that agreed with that theory and I felt validated. All of the things I'd read about were all right there. I fought venemously to defend them. Then something happened that changed everything. I began reading posts of people who didnt subscribe to the conspiricy theory. People who began posting fact after after verifible fact. What I saw of my side brought up alot of questions, but very few facts. Mostly what I found is that the conspiricy arguement didnt quite hold up.

Well, I've figured it out. I have been sitting on the fence for a while now, but suddenly, its all become clear. Both sides are right! Yes there is a HUGE cover up, concerning 9/11 and yes, our country was attacked that morning and we didnt have a clue. Not a single person in this country (other than those involved) knew what that day had in store for them.

How? The blame for this lies as follows:

1: The Republicans.
2: The Democrats.

The Republicans have themselves to blame on this. For the better part of the 1990s they had their heads so far up Clintons rear it was sick. The whole party was out to destroy him. While this nation had real problems and security issues to deal with, we we're bombarded with "Whitewater" or "filegate" or whatever the "gate" of the week was.

The Republicans made it nearly impossible to get anything done for those 8 years. This was done intentionaly. Although they tried to get em, he always got away. Then..they hit the jackpot. Monica. All hell breaks loose. Theres hearings, investigations, and in the end, impeachment. The FBI even investigated the Blue dress. 200 agents assigned to the case. All to see if they could prove a BJ..how sad..

Now think about this. If just one of the 200 agents assigned to investigating white stains on blue dresses was in the office, returning those unanswered phone calls from flight schools in Florida, how many dead Americans would there be in the bottom of Manhatten now? Thanks guys.

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2: The Democrats

All of this can be summed up easily. KEEP IT IN YOUR PANTS !!!
And, if your are caught, fess up! Save us all alot of time and money. Might not get so many people killed !

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So heres my theory. Both parties were and are responsible for this. Instead of getting past their petty squables and power struggles, they chose to ignore us. When we got hit, they didnt see it coming. Sure, now their running around telling us every fact we want to know. They will welcome investigations. Why? Because they want us to forget how they failed us. Let the conspiricy theories run rampant. You'll never prove them, because they arent there.

Noone "inside" planned this. Noone had a clue. They were to busy nit-picking each other to care about what was going on. And now they know that if the Americans ever put this together, it will spell the end of both of their parties. So in a way, these conspiricy theories are helping them. Instead of anyone holding them accountable for their neglect, we are all out looking at 1000s of photshoped images forever. In a few years time we will have moved on, and life goes on.

To me, it looks like they've almost won.

fifth estate always makes good stuff.



and then bill oreilly steps in...........

Brother what took you so long?

I for one was a Republican but it took this whole Teri Schiavo thing for me to reach the breaking point. Like Mark Twain said "If Jesus were alive today he wouldn't be a Christian" ....well if Reagan were alive today he would not be a Republican.

So join the the Dems??? God no that's a cure worse than the problem!

We need a party for people who aren't zealots and/or control freaks who will govern in the name of the people not in spite of them.

Originally posted by spliff4020
Recently I've been involved in some "discussions" on here pertaining to 9/11 conpiricies. I, myself, am skepitcal. For this I've been labled and idiot, sheep and everything else. I used to scream and yell about it but as of late, I just read the posts and move on.

When I first joined here I believed that our own government was responsible for the attacks. I followed all the threads that agreed with that theory and I felt validated. All of the things I'd read about were all right there. I fought venemously to defend them. Then something happened that changed everything. I began reading posts of people who didnt subscribe to the conspiricy theory. People who began posting fact after after verifible fact. What I saw of my side brought up alot of questions, but very few facts. Mostly what I found is that the conspiricy arguement didnt quite hold up.

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I'd love to hear the "hard truth" involving conclusive evidence explaining why WTC-7 collapsed, a sequence to an almost perfect implosion of a modern fireproofed building that day..

Please feel free to offer reasonable theories as to why WTC-7 collapsed, so far it has been determined that fire brought down this modern building. For this building to collapse in this fashion, ALL of the load bearing supports would have had to fail (or be cut) at EXACTLY THE SAME TIME.

Syntaxer......the wtc's fireproofing foam was burned off during the impact and subsiquent fire. Although the buildings were designed to withstand the impact, they mistakenly didnt figure the immence heat from the enormous amount of jet fuel(also the combustibles in the building adding to the intensity of the fire). Without the protective foam the welds broke loose under the extreme temperatures. PBS didnt a very imformative documentary, I believe it was called "Why the towers fell" hope that helps.

So...The Republicans were vindictive and evil, and the democrats were horney. And because of that, Clinton never called the Sudanese back about getting Bin Laden, huge cuts were made to the inteligence budget and military budget, and a shadow country (Al' Queda) declared war on us.

I think your take may be a little too clean cut and biased, but that could just be me.

Originally posted by junglejake
So...The Republicans were vindictive and evil, and the democrats were horney. And because of that, Clinton never called the Sudanese back about getting Bin Laden, huge cuts were made to the inteligence budget and military budget, and a shadow country (Al' Queda) declared war on us.

I think your take may be a little too clean cut and biased, but that could just be me.

You got it! Hit the nail on the head. Sure it sounds nice and neat, but Im afraid thats all it is. The rest of the world sees us for the self centered fools we are. While we all had our eyes glued to the TV, noone was watching the backdoor.

We here in America like to think that theres noway someone could have manipulated our system that easily, but look at the facts. They did. We aren't as big and bad as we think we are. We are very vunerable! I hope we dont fall asleep again.

Spliff, I hope you figure your explanation to be a bit simplistic. You see the Republicans' problem as wanting to destroy Clinton? You see no reason why Clinton was a target?
Your whole blame for the Democrats was not keeping "it" in their pants?

The rest of the 9/11 explanation is also overly simplistic and at the same time, too broad in scope.

Interesting thing is, after not seeing my incompetent government could have had a thing to do with it, I am beginning to wonder.

By the way, Spliff, while you are factoring in Clinton's good ol' boy problem of pants-down syndrom, remember that the Patriot Act was created during his watch; there was just no reason to implement it at the time. Under Bush, a reason finally came around.

Do not be so naive as to think the two parties are not partnered. The rivalry is just for politics sports enthusiasts citizenry, so that we might think we have a hand in the outcome. We do not.

Originally posted by Thomas Crowne
Spliff, I hope you figure your explanation to be a bit simplistic. You see the Republicans' problem as wanting to destroy Clinton? You see no reason why Clinton was a target?
Your whole blame for the Democrats was not keeping "it" in their pants?

The rest of the 9/11 explanation is also overly simplistic and at the same time, too broad in scope.

Interesting thing is, after not seeing my incompetent government could have had a thing to do with it, I am beginning to wonder.

By the way, Spliff, while you are factoring in Clinton's good ol' boy problem of pants-down syndrom, remember that the Patriot Act was created during his watch; there was just no reason to implement it at the time. Under Bush, a reason finally came around.

Do not be so naive as to think the two parties are not partnered. The rivalry is just for politics sports enthusiasts citizenry, so that we might think we have a hand in the outcome. We do not.

Don't get me wrong. I blame the Dems to. They are both equally guilty to me, though I do lean towards blaming the republicans a little more. But I do agree that they are both in cahoots with each other.

Its just that its not cahoots about covering up an inside job. Its cahoots about them falling asleep at the wheel and thinking that we were untouchable.

The temperature of the fires was not the problem. The buildings were designed and could have well handeled the heat. The impact and explosion which blew the protective foam off the supporting steel were the reason for the collapse. I have to admit im a little confused is the "idea" that the planes were a diversion for a demolitons explosion which brought the towers down?

Spliff, if that is your beef, then you'd better amend your position. Many a Republican screamed about Clinton not being concerned about security from anyhting else but Christianity, but the Clinton administration turned a deaf ear.

Not in cahoots?

The Bush administration rebuilds the military, but is he using it for the good of national defence? Even the most ardent Bush supporter (hard to find nowadays) is a bit confused when it comes to the Bush foreign policy of today.

First of all Al-Queada is not a "Country" - it is a World Wide Network of Islamic Jihadi Extremists. Secondly our Country has even More Enemies than just Al-Queada! Third - Republicans PLEASE stop constantly Blaming Clinton for the Poor Economy & Terrorism that has taken place *during the BUSH Administrations watch*! When Clinton tried to Blow Up Bin Laden you called it "Monica Missiles"!

Yes "Spliff4020" - I think that you are right! I think that the *MASS INCOMPENTENCE* & Political Partisan Bickering Waste of Time is more to Blame for us Not having a Clue about the 9/11 Attack coming than the Conspiracy Theories (actually I believe that they knew Something was coming & that Planes & the WTC have been Targets before - they just couldn't piece it together in time) - which is still pretty SAD if you think about it!


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There are a few things I'd like to post here but don't have the time. (I started another thread on this as some of you probably know already, "Could the "truth" about 911 start a civil war?" One thing I will say quickly here is how can ANYONE believe that building 7 fell on its own accord? I mean come on guys, how can you buy into that? Do your home work: The building WAS NOT directly hit by anything and the fires were MINIMAL. ALSO, there were large fuel storage tanks in the basement that were found INTACT, even AFTER the building imploded. DUH folks.. WAKE UP! Think about it.. If building 7 was brought down with explosives then foreknowledge of people "very close to home" is UNAVOIDABLE and how can you then expect to believe that buildings 1 and 2 fell "on their own"??? Self evident common sense dictates this and can not be rationalized away. (Sorry all you engineers) Like I said.. WAKE UP!!



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Well let us not forget four facts:
1. Jet fuel will not heat to a temperature hot enough to melt steel.
2. No steel building before 911 or 911 since has imploded or fallen from heat.
3. Firemen inside the building that day reported back that there were very few fires inside the builidings except for the floors impacted by the planes, this is on tape recorded by the fire depatment or the 911 operators as the firemen inside reported back.
4. About a moment before each building collapsed the seismograph that detects earthquakes detected just enough of a movement to move the needle slightly, now remember this is before the building imploded, the impact of the building hitting the ground did not move the needle at all.