Uberman - Psychopathic Advantage

It has been a very long journey and I am confident now that I have gotten a grasp on reality as it is.
The abstract representation looks like:

The dark occlusion is a slightly lighter gray.
And the light rays are less pronounced.
It isn't spherical, but disc shape.
I'm not going to change the abstract representation to make it look closer to what I saw, because I don't need to. The abstract isn't real, I, you, we live in the real.

My Worldview, my Systematic Theology, does not include immortality, it just doesn't. The Universe itself will end sometime. The Organizing Principle may be intelligent, but not alive, that is, by itself, apart from the elements which it animates, where metabolism happens. Spirit and body together, to make a Soul. The Soul. The One.

I am no specialist in any scientific field, but I have no reason to doubt the huge amounts of Time that the Universe has existed. And the 100s of millions of years in which life (metabolism) have been. I may have to make allowances if Kronos does in fact influence Khronos. That can be at a later time however.

Man is not the beginning and man is not the end. At some time after our particular specie has ended, there will still be life and still the One will live on, a billion years or more.

So that's my Worldview. It promises nothing. It may suck compared to other Worldviews. It might be factual. It might even be true. That is the Mystery of Mysteries.

For so long I have avoided certain ideas, philosophical concepts, among which are Nietzsche's Übermensch, Plato's Dualism, and the Non-dualism of Zen Buddhism and Advaita Hinduism. They seemed to me to be traps; lures, to separate my mind and energies from the real material World.

Then, while in a mighty dance of rhetorical martial finesse, wielding a flaming sword; thrusting, slashing, and parrying; a fire dance, the pieces manifested. Then after sitting down to rest, they clicked into place.

I think the key element to this success lies in the fact that I wasn't dancing for myself. I already felt okay with myself. I was doing it for the benefit of others. That's how the sentence structure formed, which in turn helped me to articulate my own Worldview in a new and different way.

So now I am Uberman. And I know the psychopathic advantage of truly not caring about certain things that exercise the thoughts and imaginings of those around me. I choose to not waste what remaining time I have with any quest for immortality or even enlightenment. And that's really all that it means to be Uberman. My life is mine, all mine, within this realm of mortality, decay, fortune, misfortune, chance, and mischance.

The title may seem like a really big and grand thing, but it really isn't. Pretty much regular ordinary living; dishes, laundry, toasted waffles.

I didn't know psychopathy had an advantage.

Normally it means you have something seriously wrong with you, since birth. Pathology in general is not a good thing.

Sociopath would be a bit better, that's a pathology inherited through society; psychopathy is born.

Did you mean psychic?

a reply to: Mahogany

It's referring to categories from a book by Kevin Dutton THE WISDOM OF PSYCHOPATHS. I haven't actually read the book, but there is a Youtube interview.

The only characteristic of psychopathology that I'm using is the "I don't care" aspect.

The typical traits of a psychopath are ruthlessness, charm, focus, mental toughness, fearlessness, mindfulness and action. Who wouldn't at certain points in their lives benefit from kicking one or two of these up a notch?
wisdom-from-psychopaths

So from this list: basically, focus and mindfulness would apply. But it is a spectrum, not an either/or proposition.

I guess I should clarify something. I am very low on the decoupling of emotion from behavior aspect. Probably close to zero.

I've got a condition known as eidetic memory. I remember things in pictures, one on one conversations with close to word for word recall after many years. Each of these pictures are tied in with strong emotion at the time. As if the emotion memory is the trigger for the picture memory.

High conscience, empathy, it's almost as if I don't even qualify as psychopath.
Now what am I going to do?

I had such high hopes. Oh well.

Hmmm, maybe nihilism?

The traits of psychopathy you're describing as positive are very, very rare. Only highly intelligent psychopaths learn how to mask their psychopathy from the world, instead developing fake charm. Luckily, highly intelligent people are rare, and highly intelligent psychopaths even more so. Psychopaths do care what happens, they just don't feel emotions the same way. They don't feel joy or remorse the same way you or I do. But they can recognize the way it looks in others and emulate the expressions.

Would nihilism fit better?

a reply to: Mahogany

But they can recognize the way it looks in others and emulate the expressions.

I thought that was a sociopath behavior.

Would nihilism fit better?

Perhaps. I'll have to look that up. Such negative connotation associated.

From Wikipedia:

There have been different nihilist positions, including that human values are baseless, that life is meaningless, that knowledge is impossible, or that some set of entities does not exist or is meaningless or pointless.
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Contemporary understanding of the idea stems largely from the Nietzschean 'crisis of nihilism', from which derive the two central concepts: the destruction of higher values and the opposition to the affirmation of life.

The whole uberman comes from Nietzsche, so I should look into the 'crisis of nihilism' also. It seems like they go together, I might not be understanding that sentence quoted. Uberman is supposed to be affirming of life.

a reply to: pthena

So here is Nietzschean_affirmation

Nietzschean affirmation (German: Bejahung) is a concept that has been scholarly identified in the philosophy of Friedrich Nietzsche. An example used to describe the concept is a fragment in Nietzsche's The Will to Power:

Suppose that we said yes to a single moment, then we have not only said yes to ourselves, but to the whole of existence. For nothing stands alone, either in ourselves or in things; and if our soul did but once vibrate and resound with a chord of happiness, then all of eternity was necessary to bring forth this one occurrence—and in this single moment when we said yes, all of eternity was embraced, redeemed, justified and affirmed.

— Nietzsche, Friedrich, The Will to Power: Selections from the Notebooks of the 1880s (translated by R. Kevin Hill and Michael A. Scarpitti). Penguin Books, 2017, p. 566[1]

Well that sounds good. If nihilism is against that then maybe I'm against nihilism.

On Nihilism

Nihilism is a fairly big subject. I find this to be rather important, so I'll quote it so I won't have to look for it later.

Nietzsche discusses Christianity, one of the major topics in his work, at length in the context of the problem of nihilism in his notebooks, in a chapter entitled "European Nihilism."[74] Here he states that the Christian moral doctrine provides people with intrinsic value, belief in God (which justifies the evil in the world) and a basis for objective knowledge. In this sense, in constructing a world where objective knowledge is possible, Christianity is an antidote against a primal form of nihilism, against the despair of meaninglessness. However, it is exactly the element of truthfulness in Christian doctrine that is its undoing: in its drive towards truth, Christianity eventually finds itself to be a construct, which leads to its own dissolution. It is therefore that Nietzsche states that we have outgrown Christianity "not because we lived too far from it, rather because we lived too close." As such, the self-dissolution of Christianity constitutes yet another form of nihilism. Because Christianity was an interpretation that posited itself as the interpretation, Nietzsche states that this dissolution leads beyond skepticism to a distrust of all meaning.
Nihilism

So I had this crisis about 1991-2. I didn't know what it was and didn't know where to find meaning, so looked into different things to find it.

It's important to note that the same sort of objective reality posited by Christian Creation as an act, is the same sort of objective reality I've sought to maintain, and maintain still. Reality is not a mere simulation. But the Christian denigration of the present "fallen" World in favor of either pure "fleshless" life or future immortal embodied life, leaves the present as insignificant; a mere temporary proving ground.

But the Christian Creation also provides the reality of the World and the people in it, intrinsic value of helping other people. The worthy morals of society.

If Christianity collapses, where then goes objective reality? Where then the value of moral certitude? I don't know where it will come for society as a whole. I sort of had these built in subjectively for myself.

I don't think I can just give it to people. I don't think it works that way.

a reply to: pthena

I once came across a thread called something along the lines of "Psychopath: Crazy Person or Leader". It basically made the point MANY natural leaders have the The Dark Triad, which is what makes them more effective manipulators.

This was great in any case.

a reply to: Degradation33

I've got a bunch of wikipages open, furiously trying to avoid bad nihilism.

I guess Nietzsche had something there. I wasn't ready for it yet.
I think I understand the motive people have to label themselves Christian Atheists. The things to keep without the myth.

I did read Bultman back in the day, demythologizing Jesus. Since I don't remember any of it, I guess it didn't make much impact on me.

And that's really all that it means to be Uberman. My life is mine, all mine, within this realm of mortality, decay, fortune, misfortune, chance, and mischance.

Contrary to your assertion that this is a small thing, I think you have a grand and magnificent truth hidden in your soliloquy.

With our thoughts we make the world.

The world is your oyster.

a reply to: pthena

a reply to: Dalamax
Thank you.

Share the objective
Live the subjective

a reply to: Mahogany

The traits of psychopathy you're describing as positive are very, very rare.

I don't think so, although I do think psychopathy occurs on a scale of intensity. Psychopaths rule the world, and they always have.

You'll find psychopaths best suited to surgical medicine, correctional facilities, the military, in politics and judicial positions, where empathy can get in the way.

They're easily spotted when they inflict laws against empathy. They hide behind the rigidity and authority of the clergy and religious cults too. They're the ones who thrive on calamity, suffering, finger pointing and ignorance.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

Psychopaths rule the world, and they always have

I didn't read the book but that was the main takeaway that a relative told me after reading it for a college class.

Uberman vs Ubermench

Here we have Ubermench explained:


A few things: I didn't kill God. I merely substituted reality (which I consider alive with life) for the idea of an all-powerful Creator.

And as far as evolution to Superman, well that would be a whole different generation, not mine. I would not benefit by that anyway. I doubt that will even happen.

As far as morality goes: I have no problem following established mores until such time that they conflict with something I consider better. I'm still kind of a stick in the mud rather than free spirit ideal. I may evolve to free spirit. That would be cool.

So just in case I'm disqualified from being Übermensch, I've got a back up.

I nap every day, sometimes twice a day.
I am Uberman: Polyphasic sleeper!

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a reply to: pthena

I hate Nietzsche with a passion. Worst sickest Philosophist ever.
Kirk screaming Kaaaaaaaaaahn style, my Nemesis...

On the example of Psychopaths, Nietzsche basically said that the Normies are in the way of them realising their true self.
I say if the goal is a healthy coherent society Normies have to give the Psychopaths the social control to use their manipulative goal getting for the common good.

I am all for self realisation and against Karens telling everybody their feelings about what is appropriate behaviour, but there are lines which can not be crossed.
I can talk about everything but the actions with effects on others need to have some form of guidelines, destroying people is that line and since everybody has a varying degree of strength what they can take the social consensus is what matters.

Psychopaths really are great in a lot of environments and we do need them. Ubermensch is where the problem starts because it is the pinacle of Narcissism (which can also be healthy to some degree).
It totally depends on where you end up on the spectrum, is it coupled with sadism that is outside of social control, ie the Psychopath doesn't give a damn anymore about what people think about them, it is bad.
Is it still important or maybe even the goal of their agency to be the most popular, best person, or sthg like that we can all benefit from it.

Nietzsche's Übermensch is the perversion of the false interpretation of Darwin's 'survival of the fittest', the shark in the gold fish tank that just has the natural right to terrorize and destroy simply because he is stronger.

# Niiiiiiiiiiiieeeeeeeeeeetzsche

a reply to: Peeple

I hope you read past the first post.
It was necessary to examine Nietzsche.

This thread is a sort of live action development.

a reply to: pthena

lol I read it, I just replied to the part that triggered me, sorry

a reply to: pthena

Everybody comes down the mountain, rarely is it an objective one. That's why so many get lost in beyond good and evil like it's moral nihilism.

It's popular in LHP philosophy. The Satanic Bible is mostly writen by German philosophy and Aurthur Desmond (Might Is Right). IMO, it all tried to convey a manner of thinking that was "above the mundanity of socially conditioned emotional reflex", but gets completely missed and warped to oblivion.

Like how L. Ron Hubbard turned pretty much the same thing into the "reactive mind" and charged people for lie detector therapy to clear it..

Very Nietzschean will to power with that one, but did win his bet with Jack Parsons.

a reply to: Degradation33

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So I had this psychotic break in '94 or there abouts, from which I will not fully recover. You can read about it in The Pthena Maxim. White magic with the noblest of intentions.

I didn't go to seek professional help until 2002, just tried to carry on going to work, and pretending I was okay. The crazy thing is that I was okay, because the gods were looking out for me.

So the first meeting with the professional he says, "I'm going to stop you right there. I have a policy of not discussing religion."

And I'm all like "This isn't religion. This is the gods."

Anyway, I just went on talking about the gods, and told stories and poems. He seemed to actually enjoy it. Two years later though, on his final report, he wrote down that I was delusional.

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Secretly, I'm beginning to suspect that the gods, except the real ones, are a sort of psychological construct, like a part of the mind attempting to heal the rest.

That would mean then, that the mind is freaky powerful, at least subjectively, and may even effect other people, like people you talk to.

It's like the comic book heroes "With great power comes great responsibility."

There was a time when I thought "If I wrote the most perfect poem or story and it went viral on the internet then the World would be saved." But that's delusional, magical thinking.

But maybe, just maybe, a little tiny bit here, a little tiny bit there, one person helped maybe. A whole lot better than nobody.