reply to post by Hanslune
This site seems to be cracking down on quotes with short answers, so I’ll present your post in conversational format.
Hans: You seem to think that if JP in LTA or elsewhere makes a claim it then translates into "fact'. It however doesn't.
Satellite: As we’ve stated all along, the CLO & LTA have never wanted blind ‘followers‘ or blind ‘believers’, and in fact would test people
at times to see. If they failed & stuck with that perspective, they’d be given the boot.
Yes, many “claims” in LTA. But rather than going with the black & white thinking of either it must be true or must not be true, I put the
"claim" on the shelf as a "may be", labelled with a question mark (ie:?). Contemplation & consideration plays an important role, yet until it is
EXPERIENCED, the claim stays there.
Hans: As pointed out even a brief look at the LTA shows it to have claims in it which are in error and not supported by evidence.
Satellite: The claims are not in error. The claims go against many many things that we have been taught, including the way we think. If you think that
LTA is in error, it’s because you are measuring it by your limited pre-conceptions/mind.
Hans: It is my opinion that JP is just lying, he is relying on the well known fringe tenet to never question new age claims.
Satellite: I’ve seen plenty of questioning put to JP, but to reply with “give me proof of your claims” is evident of blocking to even the
possibility that it may be true, which is in itself self-limiting.
Hans: You cannot provide evidence to support these, instead you just spout over and over again new age words, meaningless cliche and phrases.
Satellite: Experience is the only evidence I need. But I cannot show you the evidence, only relate it to you. So if you want real evidence, you have
to experience it yourself. And it’s not new age, it’s old age wisdom and one that is very meaningful. It’s all about soul…hmmm, didn’t
someone write a song about that?
Hans: This forum is about ancient and lost civilizations, not new age cults. If you want to believe in the con man, please do so.
Satellite: I agree on what this forum is about, but the CLO & LTA cannot be dissected into little pieces & analysed if one is to understand it as a
whole. And, you’re the one who has personally attacked and attempted to discredit the author of LTA in a multitude of ways, and I’ve responded
accordingly in order to try & show you, for you really have no idea.
Hans: If you make a claim that x or y exists, please expect to be asked for evidence of such.
Satellite: How can one prove a rainbow to a blind man? One cannot, but one can let the blind man know that the rainbow exists and its beauty. In your
case you are fortunate in that, at least for the moment, you have the opportunity to uncover the wool from your eyes. You’re living in a conspiracy
Hans, & you believe the conspiracy to be true & real, because your 5 senses verify and support it, along with the limited sciences of today and
Hans: Saying JP says so, isn't evidence, saying you believe so very much in him, isn't evidence.
Satellite: I & others have not claimed it to be evidence. We’re relating our experience which is our evidence, and attempted to explain it to the
best of our understanding in this limited format of words.
Hans: So can you provide evidence for any of these claims? I believe the answer is no. Oh and if you don't understand what evidence is we can take
you thru that process of discovery one step at a time.
Satellite: What, by handing me a pick & shovel Hans? No thanks, been there, done that. There are others ways of knowing things. Open up & connect with
the Universal Spirit, then you’ll have your evidence, IF you can handle it (no pun intended)
[edit on 31-1-2009 by satellite]