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Children of the Law of One: The Lost Teachings of Atlantis

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posted on Jan, 29 2009 @ 09:11 PM
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Originally posted by Hanslune
Yet you don't seem to understand his 'confirmation' was just stuff he made up. So he makes up stuff and Jon Peneil makes up stuff and this somehow makes it real? Two people making up stuff doesn't make it real.


What is going on here, is independant corroboration. The Edgar Cayce readings in many instances corroborate and fit well with the teachings of Atlantis. So the ancient Tibetan tradition of Atlantis independantly corroborates Edgar Cayce.




I'm sure you may think is this all real. Well that is fine and dandy but your problem is you cannot point to anything to prove any of this. Can you point to where the five halls of record are? No

Can you point to where Atlantis is? No

Can you point to where the Monastery is that JP claims? No


Jon Peniel knew alot of specific things, like the exact locations of monasteries, underground passages like the Hall of records, inner earth tunnel entry points, etc. He had worked with and helped investigators and documentary makers in egypt pinpointing underground chambers and tunnels.






One last question Hollywood how much are you paying to learn how to vibrate properly?


I think $19.95

[edit on 29-1-2009 by Hollywood11]




posted on Jan, 29 2009 @ 09:29 PM
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off-topic post removed to prevent thread-drift


 



posted on Jan, 29 2009 @ 09:41 PM
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Originally posted by satellite
You nasty nasty person Hans.
Know this little man of great knowledge.
If ever you’re on your hands & knees crying in pain
You willingly spat in the face of opportunity.
What goes around comes around!





I heard a story about Buddha Sakyamuni one time....when he acheived enlightenment he had to make a decision of whether to stay in the world and teach others or to leave the earth upon his enlightenment....at first he didn't want to stay because he knew that if he came with such a righteous teaching, but some people who encountered it ridiculed it or laughed, it would cause them so much karma that he didn't want to be responsible for.

From the Tao Te Ching

When the superior man hears of the Tao,
he immediately begins to embody it.
When the average man hears of the Tao,
he half believes it, half doubts it.
When the foolish man hears of the Tao,
he laughs out loud at it.
If he didn't laugh,
it wouldn't be the Tao.

- ch. 41 Tao Te Ching





[edit on 29-1-2009 by Hollywood11]



posted on Jan, 29 2009 @ 10:52 PM
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Howdy again Hollywood



What is going on here, is independant corroboration. The Edgar Cayce readings in many instances corroborate and fit well with the teachings of Atlantis. So the ancient Tibetan tradition of Atlantis independantly corroborates Edgar Cayce.


Hans: Yes but 'colloboration isn't evidence. Independent would mean they were both created in isolation from one another. Edgar's materials were probably just read by Jon. Edgars part is a ‘reading’ an imaginary thought of Edgar.

What ancient Tibetan tradition of Atlantis? Care to point to the original source of this information? Note I said orginal source, I already know what your source will be, a new age claim - not Churchward I hope!



Jon Peniel knew alot of specific things, like the exact locations of monasteries, underground passages like the Hall of records, inner earth tunnel entry points, etc. He had worked with and helped investigators and documentary makers in egypt pinpointing underground chambers and tunnels.


Hans: Odd I’ve not seen any of this could you please cite a non-new age source for this claim, ie one that can be verified? How about an underground chamber, date of being found, by who and location?



19.95


Hans: I down loaded my LTA for free. It would seem my vibrations are more free than yours! LOL



posted on Jan, 29 2009 @ 10:57 PM
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Oh, my Satellite it would seem you haven't heard our new motto of Civility & Decorum! Of course having not read LTA and being accursed with reason. I can understand your outburst. People don't like their comfort zones and beliefs being violated. They also don't like being shown to be wrong.

Ah I guess you cannot deal with the revelation of your Jon Peniel not knowing anything about what Plato wrote on Atlantis. A common problem amongst new age believers.

You have a good day



posted on Jan, 29 2009 @ 11:01 PM
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The greatest compliment to a scholar is an honored adversay who breaks with their beliefs when asked to defend them.

Arigato

When the superior man hears of the Atlantis
he immediately begins to be skeptical of it.
When the average man hears of the Atlantis,
he half believes it, half doubts it.
When the foolish man hears of the Atlantis,
he believes it.


[edit on 29/1/09 by Hanslune]



posted on Jan, 30 2009 @ 04:49 AM
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Well Hans. If I was to die today then my previous post is not how I would like to leave our interaction. My outburst was not because you showed that I was wrong, or that my comfort zone was being violated, although I’m sure you’d like to think so. The fact is that I was dismayed by your extreme attitude, towards Hollywood and LTA. I thought that after my long post regarding your unscientific analysis of LTA, that there was actually a tiny little bit of humility within you, compared to what you’d been manifesting beforehand, and that perhaps you’d actually seen those flaws & that you’d take a real look at LTA.
I guess JP was right in his final written words to me…(paraphrased)...
“how can someone teach another when one hasn’t even got the humility to even become a student”. Hmmm…as I wrote earlier… what goes around comes around, ie: karma, which applies to everyone, whether they believe it or not.



Ah I guess you cannot deal with the revelation of your Jon Peniel not knowing anything about what Plato wrote on Atlantis. A common problem amongst new age believers.


All your words have done is exemplify your aggression & separate based logic. Your take on Plato, along with the mainstream so-called scholars, are just the interpretations of what’s been written, which is what you’ve obviously chosen to stick with. So be it. Words can be twisted around to suit any argument, and from what you’ve shown here you’re very good at it. In my opinion, it takes a very clear mirror in order to clearly understand & interpret anothers words and their meaning, if there is any. You & I & most scholars don’t have that capacity.

In regards to respecting peoples Free Will choices you wrote


If one is that way one should avoid posting on forums where discussion, questioning and disagreement is the purpose. No one on this forum should be shackled intellectually and prevented from questioning information being provided.


Discussion, questioning & disagreement is not the purpose, it is the means by which we may come to understand more about ‘top secret’ information. Well, for those who are open to it at least. I’m not here to argue the LTA case, just provide a little info on what I know is truth and of course, learn. As I previously wrote, and one which you just don’t want to address, is that your so-called questioning is mostly an aggressive, sarcastic comment disguised as a question.
No-one has intellectually shackled you Hans, just pinned your BS self down a little, but now it’s out with a vengeance and it's taken the floor, so I figure you’ll continue in your mockery. I did ask you about “respecting peoples free will choices”, and the word RESPECT is paramount, as any decent human being would do with any religion. But human decency is very rare these days.


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posted on Jan, 30 2009 @ 04:52 AM
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Thanks for the encouraging story of what Buddha Sakyamuni first thought when faced with his decision. I can relate to that right now. Yet, the Tao Te Ching quote puts it in a great perspective. I’m glad others have left their guiding footprints.
Thanks for sharing, it helps.



posted on Jan, 30 2009 @ 07:05 AM
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Originally posted by Hanslune
reply to post by Hollywood11
 




When the superior man hears of the Atlantis
he immediately begins to be skeptical of it.
When the average man hears of the Atlantis,
he half believes it, half doubts it.
When the foolish man hears of the Atlantis,
he believes it.




hans thinks he's superior. anyone else think hans is superior?

what does he know of the cultures at the time of atlantis? nothing. he has proven that.
what does he know about the geography of the world at the time of atlantis? nothing. he has proven that.
superior? not even slightly advanced.

there is a name for people who are sure that the internet makes them the genius that god didn't. electron tigers. there are only some sites you can feel like a tiger on right hans? no matter how hard you try?



posted on Jan, 30 2009 @ 07:49 AM
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somewhat in the spirit of the topic and hans' demand to point to atlantis

from ARE

# 364-13 11. (Q) Describe the earth's surface at the period of the appearance of the five projections.
# (A) This has been given. In the first, or that known as the beginning, or in the Caucasian and Carpathian, or the Garden of Eden

“Q. Are the places designated for the beginning of the five races correct?

“A. As we find, these are changed, in that: Those in the Gobi, the yellow. The white – rather in Carpathians than India, though this is the change to which they are made....

“Q. Where was the Carpathian region?

“A. Aarat.

“Q. Where is the location? Is it on the map today?

“A. Southern part of Europe and Russia, and Persia and that land. Caucasian mountains.”(364-13)


“In the Egyptian land, as now called, there had come those from what is now called the Persian, or the Carpathian and Persian land, those who were called to set up a regime.(949-12)

“The interpreting of these records, to be sure, is not from English – neither is it from the Egyptian language of the present day, but rather from the language that the entity’s people brought into the land – not Sanskrit, not the early Persian; though the peoples came from that land which is now a part of Iran or Carpathia.

“The entity was born to that entity known as or called Ra, or Ra Ta in the experience, with the companion that entered with that group into the Egyptian land.” (1100-26)

“Before that we find the entity was in that now known as the Indian land, during those periods when there were the settlings by those peoples from the Carpathian, from the mountain area into the valleys of the Ganges, into those periods roundabout that have become to many – as to the ancients of old – as sacred.” (1224-1)

“The entity was in the Carpathian land, or in those areas that later –much later – became known as the Carpathian mountain. But during that period it was the land from which the Priest and Araraarart went to the Egyptian land.” (2845-2)

“Before that the entity was in the Egyptian land being the son of the king deposed by those groups that came in from the Persian land or Carpathia led by the Priest.” (3189-2)


“The entity was in the Egyptian land ... put in charge of those activities which had to do with the groups from Carpathia, or what is now Asia Minor and portions of now Turkey...” (2822-1)


“Thus the entity sought permission of the King to become one of those in the ser- vice of the Temple Beautiful,or in the school or college that prepared the groups or individuals to become emissaries to other lands.

“The entity chose the Carpathian and the Gobi land,as those lands where the entity as an emissary could be better acquainted with the sources from which not only the King,but the Priest,had received their training ...”(2746-3)


“...carrying forward the greater development – which arose from that land ... and those periods of activity brought the albo, or the first of the pure white race in the Carpathian land.

“This activity was put as it were into action in other lands as a part of one movement, as one over and above the others.” (1472-10)


so therefore
here

thats from hiway sign 59 at timisoara down to hiway sign 59 below deta







[edit on 30-1-2009 by Parta]



posted on Jan, 30 2009 @ 11:29 AM
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Howdy Satellite

Again all you do is preach in long strings of meaningless words. I know you think you are saying deep meaningful things and from a new age point of view they might be, from my point of view it is someone desperately trying to hide from the deception her belief has taken them into.

The reality is:

JP knows nothing of what Plato wrote about Atlantis

JP makes silly claims that require only a brief amount of time to look up and realize he's lying

Why would you find the comments of such a person believable?



I thought that after my long post regarding your unscientific analysis of LTA, that there was actually a tiny little bit of humility within you, compared to what you’d been manifesting beforehand, and that perhaps you’d actually seen those flaws & that you’d take a real look at LTA.


Hans: I've taken a look at LTA and find a book strewn with easy to verify factual errors, new age pseudo pyschology and not much else. I have pointed out those errors, you appear to have initially taken them in then rejected them. Please explain how JP can be so wrong about what Plato said about Atlantis?



I’m not here to argue the LTA case, just provide a little info on what I know is truth and of course, learn.


Hans: Please note Satellite that you were arguing the LTA case and challenged us to read it. We did and pointed out the obviously, easy to verify errors in just the first pages. Which, and this is important, you refuse to look at or consider.

Now again please explain rationally how JP, a claimed head of an order that goes back to 'Atlantis' didn't know what Plato wrote about it? You don't find it odd that he (JP) just repeated new age claims instead of what Plato wrote?



posted on Jan, 30 2009 @ 11:36 AM
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Jon Peniel is a much more direct source than Plato.

Plato relayed a story that he heard from a man named Solon, who had learned of it from an Egyptian priest. Yet Plato, was not an egyptian priest and neither was Solon.

So Plato's account is clearly second hand, or third hand, and we cannot take it as being entirely accurate.

Jon Peniel on the other hand, was an actual priest/monk in Tibet, of the lineage which was descended directly from Atlantis, with records kept from that time and that Jon Peniel had access to.

Jon Peniel does not "repeat" anything, and there is nothing "new" or "new age" about these ancient teachings. The LTA is completely unique and nothing like it has ever been seen by the public or ordinary human society before.



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posted on Jan, 30 2009 @ 11:43 AM
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So does he speak one of the languages of Tibet? Can he show you the original documents that the LTA comes from?

I noted you haven't provide any proof of any of his claims.

Hollywood with all due respect, you've been hornswoggle by a con man and a not very original one either.



posted on Jan, 30 2009 @ 11:47 AM
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Originally posted by Hanslune
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So does he speak one of the languages of Tibet? Can he show you the original documents that the LTA comes from?

I noted you haven't provide any proof of any of his claims.

Hollywood with all due respect, you've been hornswoggle by a con man and a not very original one either.



Con men don't have the power and energy of Jon peniel, they don't have the ability to change soemone's body and mind's vibrational level, and they don't have the ability to know all things and the thoughts of all people. Nor do they have knowledge of spirituality like he did that no one else in the world has.

The fact is, reading the LTA will change your body, it will become more healthy and function much better. You will physically feel waves of vibration going through you as you read the words. Every word is embedded with power and high level energy. This is no ordinary book.

The CLO monks around the world, have the ability to speak all languages even ones unknown to modern people. I don't know what languages Jon Peniel learned, usually now in modern times CLO monks have to at least know english and spanish, but some know dozens of languages.

In recent years with the death of many of the old monks and destruction of the Tibetan monastery, it is possible some languages have now been lost forever.



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posted on Jan, 30 2009 @ 11:59 AM
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Howdy Hollywood



Con men don't have the power and energy of Jon peniel, they don't have the ability to change soemone's body and mind's vibrational level, and they don't have the ability to know all things and the thoughts of all people.


Hans: So you are claiming, or you are stating that JP can read all the people’s minds in the world? Hmmmm how new age. Con men do have the power to tell people nonsense and if those people just believe everything they say they can get away with it.



Nor do they have knowledge of spirituality like he did that no one else in the world has.


Hans: Well I cannot address his level of spirituality but how do you know “that no one else in the world has”? Has he told you that?



The CLO monks around the world, have the ability to speak all languages even ones unknown to modern people.


Hans: Wow that is interesting claim and one that is very easily tested. Let me guess Hollywood you were told to believe that and of course I know you do. Did you ever consider testing this?



I don't know what languages Jon Peniel learned,


Hans: I’m going to say he speaks English- what accent does he have by the way?



usually now in modern times. CLO monks have to at least know english and spanish, but some know dozens of languages.


Hans: This claim above is a down grade of the claim you made two sentences above, quite a climb down in less than a paragraph. Yes they might speak English and Spanish but have you tested their ability to read and speak every language of the world? Or do you take everything on faith?




This is no ordinary book.


Hans: Well yes it is no ordinary book, it has in it lots of made up stuff, nonsense and easily verifiable facts that are in fact, wrong.


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posted on Jan, 30 2009 @ 12:08 PM
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Originally posted by Hollywood11
Jon Peniel is a much more direct source than Plato.


If he was a more direct source, then he would have lived there himself.


Plato relayed a story that he heard from a man named Solon, who had learned of it from an Egyptian priest. Yet Plato, was not an egyptian priest and neither was Solon.

So Plato's account is clearly second hand, or third hand, and we cannot take it as being entirely accurate.

Jon Peniel on the other hand, was an actual priest/monk in Tibet, of the lineage which was descended directly from Atlantis, with records kept from that time and that Jon Peniel had access to.


That's the myth, yes. But back in the day I believed this. When I started to look into how accurate it was (including descriptions of prayers and the monastaries) I found that he was wrong about a lot of things. That shook my belief in the whole thing. It all works as long as you do the mantra "he's absolutly right and any evidence that counters him is just so wrong as to be dumb."


Jon Peniel does not "repeat" anything, and there is nothing "new" or "new age" about these ancient teachings. The LTA is completely unique and nothing like it has ever been seen by the public or ordinary human society before.

As far as I can tell, the reason for this is that it's all made up.

Cayce's prediction rate was pretty bad (including predictions for people who were already dead). I remember how excited we were about his prediction that Atlantis would rise from the ocean (and it's not even close to where this "Jon Peniel" says it is). Cayce was wrong about that, too, as he was (sadly) about so many things.



posted on Jan, 30 2009 @ 12:09 PM
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I've already explained to you that nothing in the LTA should ever be taken on faith. Only through direct experience and revelation can truth be known.

Someone who tells lies could never develop the ability to give people energy and change their body through embedding energy into their words that they write.

Someone who tells lies could never develop the ability to change the bodies of people they have never met by implanting high levels of energy in their words that they write.

You can be completely transformed, down to the smallest particles and fundamental levels of your body, through reading these teachings. That shows that Jon Peniel is aware of every person who reads his book and what is on their mind and where their heart really is.



posted on Jan, 30 2009 @ 12:19 PM
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Originally posted by Indellkoffer
If he was a more direct source, then he would have lived there himself.


No, Plato didn't live there either. Jon Peniel's lineage however is directly descended from Atlantis.

Secondly, he did live there in previous lifetimes.

I'm not totally sure on this, but I think he may have been known in Atlantis as Osiris, and the Egyptians had even met him when the Atlanteans retreated to Egypt in 10,500 BC, and the egyptians had considered him a God.




That's the myth, yes. But back in the day I believed this. When I started to look into how accurate it was (including descriptions of prayers and the monastaries) I found that he was wrong about a lot of things. That shook my belief in the whole thing. It all works as long as you do the mantra "he's absolutly right and any evidence that counters him is just so wrong as to be dumb."


IF you examine the prayers you will find that they indeed are the origin of all other prayers. This isn't something that can be faked and still work. If it were faked, then it couldn't workout that all other prayers ccould be traced to the affirmations of the CLO originally.




As far as I can tell, the reason for this is that it's all made up.


Again, if it were made up, there is no way it could be the origin of all religions and still work without any mistakes being made or holes in it.



Cayce's prediction rate was pretty bad (including predictions for people who were already dead). I remember how excited we were about his prediction that Atlantis would rise from the ocean (and it's not even close to where this "Jon Peniel" says it is). Cayce was wrong about that, too, as he was (sadly) about so many things.


It doesn't matter if someone is dead or not because as Cayce said, "many are present and many will hear this reading, the information must be constructive and helpful to all, not the just the person the reading is done for."

Edgar Cayce's prediciton rate is incredible. He was known for predicting the time of the beginning and the time of the end of World War 2, he predicted an alliance between Germany Italy and Japan that would affect the whole world, the onset of the Great Depression 4 years prior, the assasination of JFK, the civil rights movements for racial equality, the earth changes of today and melting and shifting of the poles, the discovery of a chamber by seismographs underneath the Sphinx, the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls, he knew that the Nile had at one time flowed the other direction before scienctists knew it, and many other things.

Any predictions that people claim didn't happen, were simply misrepresentations of his words deliberately misread by skeptics trying desperately to discredit him.



posted on Jan, 30 2009 @ 12:20 PM
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Hans, you are quite right!!

Not only John Peniel, there are other new age mystics who claim to have ancient knowledge from Atlantis and when they set out to write a book about their knowledge or location of Atlantis, they

HAVE TO GO BACK TO WHAT PLATO WROTE ON ATLANTIS.

If they know the true history of Atlantis, first hand, why refer to some second hand information (i.e Plato)???

Why cant they write/say...in first person of their life in Atlantis?? huh??

This where they stumble and are right away caught red handed!!



posted on Jan, 30 2009 @ 12:25 PM
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JP was much more knowledgable and knew way more than Plato.......or Edgar Cayce for that matter. Cayce for example, consciously knew nothing of Atlantis, it was only if asked about it while in trance that he could give answers.

So Cayce's knowledge is limited to only what was said in readings, but Jon Peniel, since he learned in the Tibetan lineage that was descended directly from Atlantis, knew all about it, everything about it, while conscious.

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